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Old 03-20-2010   #1
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YEAR ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM NAME POSITION SCHOOL
2009 1 15(15) Texans Brian Cushing OLB USC
2009 2 14(46) Texans Connor Barwin DE Cincinnati
2009 3 13(77) Texans Antoine Caldwell C Alabama
2009 4 12(112) Texans Glover Quin S New Mexico
2009 4 22(122) Texans Anthony Hill TE North Carolina State
2009 5 16(152) Texans James Casey TE Rice
2009 6 15(188) Texans Brice McCain CB Utah
2009 7 14(223) Texans Troy Nolan S Arizona State
2008 1 26(26) Texans Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech
2008 3 16(79) Texans Antwaun Molden CB Eastern Kentucky
2008 3 26(89) Texans Steve Slaton RB West Virginia
2008 4 19(118) Texans Xavier Adibi OLB Virginia Tech
2008 5 16(151) Texans Frank Okam DT Texas
2008 6 7(173) Texans Dominique Barber S Minnesota
2008 7 16(223) Texans Alex Brink QB Washington State
2007 1 10(10) Texans Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
2007 3 9(73) Texans Jacoby Jones WR Lane
2007 4 24(123) Texans Fred Bennett DB South Carolina
2007 5 7(144) Texans Brandon Harrison DB Stanford
2007 5 26(163) Texans Brandon Frye OT Virginia Tech
2007 6 9(183) Texans Kasey Studdard OG Texas
2007 7 8(218) Texans Zach Diles LB Kansas State
2006 1 1(1) Texans Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
2006 2 1(33) Texans DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
2006 3 1(65) Texans Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
2006 3 2(66) Texans Eric Winston OT Miami (FL)
2006 4 1(98) Texans Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
2006 6 1(170) Texans Wali Lundy RB Virginia
2006 7 43(251) Texans David Anderson WR Colorado State
2005 1 16(16) Texans Travis Johnson DE Florida State
2005 3 9(73) Texans Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
2005 4 13(114) Texans Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
2005 5 15(151) Texans Drew Hodgdon C Arizona State
2005 6 14(188) Texans Ceandris Brown DB Louisiana-Lafayette
2005 7 13(227) Texans Kenneth Pettway LB Grambling State
2004 1 10(10) Texans Dunta Robinson DB South Carolina
2004 1 27(27) Texans Jason Babin LB Western Michigan
2004 4 26(122) Texans Glenn Earl DB Notre Dame
2004 6 5(170) Texans Vontez Duff DB Notre Dame
2004 6 10(175) Texans Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
2004 6 35(200) Texans Charlie Anderson LB Mississippi
2004 7 9(210) Texans Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
2004 7 10(211) Texans Sloan Thomas WR Texas
2004 7 47(248) Texans B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2003 1 3(3) Texans Andre Johnson WR Miami (FL)
2003 2 9(41) Texans Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
2003 3 3(67) Texans Antwan Peek LB Cincinnati
2003 3 11(75) Texans Seth Wand OT Northwest Missouri State
2003 3 24(88) Texans Dave Ragone QB Louisville
2003 4 4(101) Texans Domanick Davis RB LSU
2003 6 19(192) Texans Drew Henson QB Michigan
2003 6 41(214) Texans Keith Wright DT Missouri
2003 7 3(217) Texans Curry Burns DB Louisville
2003 7 19(233) Texans Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2002 1 1(1) Texans David Carr QB Fresno State
2002 2 1(33) Texans Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2002 2 18(50) Texans Chester Pitts OT San Diego State
2002 3 1(66) Texans Fred Weary OT Tennessee
2002 3 18(83) Texans Charles Hill DT Maryland
2002 4 1(99) Texans Jonathan Wells RB Ohio State
2002 5 1(136) Texans Jarrod Baxter RB New Mexico
2002 5 18(153) Texans Ramon Walker DB Pittsburgh
2002 6 1(173) Texans DeMarcus Faggins DB Kansas State
2002 6 18(190) Texans Howard Green DT LSU
2002 7 18(229) Texans Greg White DE Minnesota
2002 7 50(261) Texans Ahmad Miller DT UNLV

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It's hard to believe how bad the C/C era was in the draft.
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Wow I never noticed how well we did with the 2006 draft! 2008 was pathetic besides slaton
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Wow I never noticed how well we did with the 2006 draft! 2008 was pathetic besides slaton
2006 is easily one of the best drafts ever (2 probowlers, 2 future probowlers, and 2 major contributers to a top 5 offense). the only miss is charles spencer who i'll argue forever as a hall of famer until his fluke career ending injury.
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Wow I never noticed how well we did with the 2006 draft!
The Texans also gave up a 7th round pick as compensation for signing RFA Kevin Walter. It was an epic draft.
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Not a fan of Duane Brown..???
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Not a fan of Duane Brown..???
Brown is an adequate LT who will never be the Texans frachise player at that position, but he could excel as the teams LG and when the Texans are fortunate enough to find their franchise LT they should make the change.
Browns not a bust at all, but we can and need to do better at the all-important LT spot.
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2009 has a chance to be another great draft class (almost as good as 2006).
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Brown is an adequate LT who will never be the Texans frachise player at that position, but he could excel as the teams LG and when the Texans are fortunate enough to find their franchise LT they should make the change.
Browns not a bust at all, but we can and need to do better at the all-important LT spot.
Going after OTs gives the advantage of usually having a decent OG if they don't make the grade as an OT.
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Going after OTs gives the advantage of usually having a decent OG if they don't make the grade as an OT.
OK I know this is corny, but to me it's like the OLine is the foundation of the house and the QB and all the skill positions, running backs and receivers, are the upstair floors.
The football game is won at the los. It's that simple.
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OK I know this is corny, but to me it's like the OLine is the foundation of the house and the QB and all the skill positions, running backs and receivers, are the upstair floors.
The football game is won at the los. It's that simple.
Yeah

But a good OL cant overcome a QB.

Not that Texan fans have ever seen a good OL.
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But a good OL cant overcome a QB.

Not that Texan fans have ever seen a good OL.
Well finally that isn't an issue for the Texans. Now it is building an OL to let the QB we have shine and hopefully with a balanced rushing attack.
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The 2005 made me throw up in my mouth... a lot!!!
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The 2005 made me throw up in my mouth... a lot!!!
There was Mathis..... at least he made the probowl
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OK I know this is corny, but to me it's like the OLine is the foundation of the house and the QB and all the skill positions, running backs and receivers, are the upstair floors.
The football game is won at the los. It's that simple.
It's a team game. A great offensive line can make a crappy running back look pretty good. A great running back can make a mediocre offensive line look good. A great QB can mask a lot of bad players.

OTOH, one bad player can ruin everything. A crappy QB can shut everything down. A crappy RB can shut everything down. One crappy lineman can shut everything down.

For the entire existence of this franchise, we've supposed to have building from the inside out. Just like I've always heard a good team is supposed to be built. We drafted Boselli and that was supposed to give us a franchise LT for many years. We picked up all these linemen that didn't work out. Then we got Kubiak and then Gibbs and the idea was that our scheme didn't require high draft pick RBs or high draft pick OL but we spent a first on an LT, 3 3rds on OL, and a 3rd on an RB.

Building our line first hasn't worked for a multitude of reasons. So lets try this the other way. Let's draft a RB high and OL in the middle and see if we can fix the whole shebang in one fell swoop. Let's see how that works out.
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It's a team game. A great offensive line can make a crappy running back look pretty good. A great running back can make a mediocre offensive line look good. A great QB can mask a lot of bad players.
A great back can't run if there's no holes and a great QB can't complete passes if there's no time. And we're only marginal in the interior of the line and no more than average on the edges.
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A great back can't run if there's no holes and a great QB can't complete passes if there's no time. And we're only marginal in the interior of the line and no more than average on the edges.
There's a huge difference between an marginal to average line and a line that's not making any holes or giving the QB any time. And that's the point. Our line opened a lot of holes last year that our backs didn't get through. Kubiak said so. There were other times when there wasn't much of a hole but a better back still would have picked up more yards.

If you're marginal in the interior and average on the edges, then a great back will have enough room to pick up yards on a lot of his carries.

That's the point. The better the running back, the less good the line has to be. The worse the running back, the better the line has to be. Let's say you've got a scale of 1-10 (1 is bad, 10 is incredible) and your line is a 3. If you've got a RB that's a 3 or a 4, you're not picking up much yards. But if you've got a RB that's a 9, you're going to get yards behind that same line. Granted, not as much as if the line is a 9 but still, some yards.

Frankly, I don't think our line is that bad. I think it's about a 5.

AND, upgrading the RB requires 1 pick. Upgrading an OL takes multiple picks. You want to upgrade the middle of our line to the point that it's fixed and none of our 3 interior linemen are up to snuff? You've got to change 3 positions and if those are 3 draft picks, well that's a lot of investment in one draft. Let's say you bring in 2 interior guys. They're probably going to take a couple of years to groom to the point that they're ready. And the line may take time to gel. Odds are, you draft these interior guys and the line's not going to be fixed until a few more years.

But running backs are notorious for being able start as rookies (as long as they can pick up blitzes.) So... you want a quick fix to the running game when you've got an average line? Pick a great RB.
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I agree with you to a point. With as many holes as there are to be filled Smithiak should take the BPA to fill one of those holes. If a S is rated higher than a RB when you're picking you take the S.

Ther are no OL that will be available at 20 but if Thomas and Mathews are on the board at 20 I pick Thomas BPA. The dropoff between Thomas and say Mays is greater than the dropoff between Mathews and say Tate who I'm pretty sure can be drafted in the 2nd rd.

That's just my philosophy.
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I agree with you to a point. With as many holes as there are to be filled Smithiak should take the BPA to fill one of those holes. If a S is rated higher than a RB when you're picking you take the S.

Ther are no OL that will be available at 20 but if Thomas and Mathews are on the board at 20 I pick Thomas BPA. The dropoff between Thomas and say Mays is greater than the dropoff between Mathews and say Tate who I'm pretty sure can be drafted in the 2nd rd.

That's just my philosophy.
Although I'd prefer Mathews, I'm fine with taking Tate in the 2nd if someone higher rated falls to us that we can't ignore. And actually, I expect the Chargers to move up to take Mathews before us and in that case, we'll have to make sure we grab Tate.

I just want the running game fixed and I don't want to continue this "draft a RB late" crap. I want a stud that can carry the load and blow some people up.
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Although I'd prefer Mathews, I'm fine with taking Tate in the 2nd if someone higher rated falls to us that we can't ignore. And actually, I expect the Chargers to move up to take Mathews before us and in that case, we'll have to make sure we grab Tate.

I just want the running game fixed and I don't want to continue this "draft a RB late" crap. I want a stud that can carry the load and blow some people up.
Trust me we want the same thing.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they took a G (Asamoah) in the 2/3 rd.

The running game should be job 1. IMHO
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