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Old 03-20-2010   #1
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I have noticed that CJ Spiller's stock might be dropping a tad. This usually happens with RB's before a draft due to team needs. Who would you want the Texans to pick if they have a choice between the two? This is of course if the Texans do consider a RB in the first.
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Its not really a good question. The focus has shifted to Matthews because Spiller will not be available at our pick.
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Its not really a good question. The focus has shifted to Matthews because Spiller will not be available at our pick.
I have listened to a lot of Sirius NFL Radio lately and they have been saying that CJ stock has been dropping some and Ryan's stock has been rising. Not saying that CJ will be available for sure but don't be surprised if he is. Also, I heard that the Singletary wants Iuapti, which looks like now Mike is calling the shots in 49er land. The niners were one of the teams that most mocks had taking CJ. If the Seahawks or niners don't take CJ, I really don't see another team taking him before twenty.
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I have listened to a lot of Sirius NFL Radio lately and they have been saying that CJ stock has been dropping some and Ryan's stock has been rising. Not saying that CJ will be available for sure but don't be surprised if he is. Also, I heard that the Singletary wants Iuapti, which looks like now Mike is calling the shots in 49er land. The niners were one of the teams who a lot of mocks had them taking CJ. If the Seahawks don't take CJ, I really don't see another team taking him before twenty.
The Niners also have two picks in the first. Grab your Rb and your OG, that O is set.

Spiller's stock is not dropping. He will be the first back drafted without a doubt.
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The Niners also have two picks in the first. Grab your Rb and your OG, that O is set.

Spiller's stock is not dropping. He will be the first back drafted without a doubt.
I know that, but they are also set on a corner, probably Haden or Wilson. That's what I have been hearing on Sirius. Yes, he probably will be the first back taken but doesn't mean he won't be there at twenty. Many good backs have fallen into the twenties. Remember Steven Jackson? Especially in a draft that is so deep with OT's and DT's
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For the Texans.... Mathews
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Default Re: Spiller or Matthews?

Neither. Go with the BPA @ one of the far more important positions at CB, DT, or OT and get your back in a later round. I would even take a OT if he's the most highly rated and the figure out if you want to make a guard out of your top draft pick, Duane brown, or Eric Winston. The best back in the world isn't effective without effective blocking in the OLine, that's where football games are won or lost.
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LOL at OT being a bigger need than RB both in reality and in the minds of the Texans' staff. Unless Joe Thomas reenters the draft and falls to 20 they ain't considering an OT.
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Interesting to see that Mathews is the runaway winner.
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LOL at OT being a bigger need than RB both in reality and in the minds of the Texans' staff. Unless Joe Thomas reenters the draft and falls to 20 they ain't considering an OT.
If we can draft an offensive lineman which gives us a better five-some, a better starting Oline than what we now have on the roster, just do it.
A first-rate offensive line with a second-rate running back is always a more effective combination than a first-rate running back with a second-rate Oline. Even the best backs are totally ing ineffective without open lanes at the los.
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If we can draft an offensive lineman which gives us a better five-some, a better starting Oline than what we now have on the roster, just do it.
A first-rate offensive line with a second-rate running back is always a more effective combination than a first-rate running back with a second-rate Oline. Even the best backs are totally ing ineffective without open lanes at the los.
I didn't comment on OL, I commented on OT. We aren't changing our OT's. Sure people can think that is dumb but it ain't happening this off-season.
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I would rather draft a RB (Hardesty) in the 2nd rd and draft a DB or OL in the 1st rd.

If the DB or OL is the BPA.
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I didn't comment on OL, I commented on OT. We aren't changing our OT's. Sure people can think that is dumb but it ain't happening this off-season.
Is not OT a position in the OLine, therefor how can we discuss one without involving the other ?
And unless you're Gary Kubiak or Rick Smith posting on this Board under an alias, how do you know what their thinking process is ?
Duane Brown is an average OLT who could be an excellent LG. If somebody like Trent Williams or Anthony Davis slips (not expecting it to happen, but it
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Is not OT a position in the OLine, therefor how can we discuss one without involving the other ?
You made a specific OT assertion and I responded to it. Bringing in the rest of the OL is non-responsive.

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And unless you're Gary Kubiak or Rick Smith posting on this Board under an alias, how do you know what their thinking process is ?
Duane Brown is an average OLT who could be an excellent LG. If somebody like Trent Williams or Anthony Davis slips (not expecting it to happen, but it
could), I'd move Brown to guard in a heart-beat to elevate the whole OLine
as a group while upgrading 2 OL positions.
This isn't rocket science. Nobody on the Texans has expressed any displeasure whatsoever with the tackles and it was pretty obvious the weakest part of the OL last season was the interior. I don't claim any inside knowledge but when you hear fan ideas like let's move DeMeco to Will it isn't hard to say it ain't happening. This is similar. The OTs aren't probowlers but they also are not the weakest links on the OL.
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Default Re: Spiller or Matthews?

first you gotta get the spelling right, it's Mathews (not just you its spread across the interent). Then you must realize different teams draft boards rate prospects for their systems only, so one may grade out higher than the next. So Spiller is higher on some teams boards & lower on others, same with Mathews. Question is, how well does a team draft to address need with BPA not just BPA, this is what really seperates the men from the boyz, Texans seem to be on the come in this area which is good, I think for them Mathews is higher on their board.

San Franciso has Gore as feature/power inside back (when healthy, which is why is stock dropped when he came out) & Coffee a slashing, lean one-cut guy (supposed to be Gore's back-up). But they lack the homerun threat like Spiller, makes more sense for them over Mathews than a team like the Texans who have no feature back.

However, and heres the rub which could impact Spillers draft more than Mathews is there are a couple interesting speed options in the 2nd rd. someone San Francisco is very familar with Californias Jahvid Best just to name one, affording them to address needs in first & take bpa like a FS/CB or OT. This is just one factor in Mathews favor because he is a legit #1 feature back. People are now catching on & once the draft begins several teams draft boards will have Mathews rated #1 just a question if RB is priority need or not, when its all said & done Ryan Mathews could easily grade out in Top 15, so if he's on the board @ #20 worthy from both a BPA, team need & system fit making him a slam dunk for Texans.
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San Franciso has Gore as feature/power inside back (when healthy, which is why is stock dropped when he came out) & Coffee a slashing, lean one-cut guy (supposed to be Gore's back-up). But they lack the homerun threat like Spiller, makes more sense for them over Mathews than a team like the Texans who have no feature back.
Some have Spiller as the second coming of one Chris Johnson, who is both
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But they lack the homerun threat like Spiller, makes more sense for them over Mathews than a team like the Texans who have no feature back.
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Some have Spiller as the second coming of one Chris Johnson, who is both
a homerun threat and his teams feature back.
Mathews had (7) 50+ yard TD runs this season. So it's not like he's a plodder.
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saw the poll and was about to vote mathews (thanks BL!) as a compliment to slaton but then the more i think about it, we already have a decent mathews-lite on the roster in arian foster- he showed in those 2 games last year (and in college) that he can pass protect, catch and run pretty well. imo theres alot more ?? about slaton than foster this year and imo theres as much chance of foster being our complementary back to someone like spiller/best etc than a mathews/slaton combo


or the short version of ^^: i voted spiller
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saw the poll and was about to vote mathews (thanks BL!) as a compliment to slaton but then the more i think about it, we already have a decent mathews-lite on the roster in arian foster- he showed in those 2 games last year (and in college) that he can pass protect, catch and run pretty well. imo theres alot more ?? about slaton than foster this year and imo theres as much chance of foster being our complementary back to someone like spiller/best etc than a mathews/slaton combo


or the short version of ^^: i voted spiller
Not saying I want Mathews because my favorite RB's are Tate and Hardesty. But Foster couldn't carry Mathews jock. IMHO
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Best chance of beating the Colts is doing what the Jags did to us in our 2nd meeting last year late in the 4th quarter with a lead.

Mathews gives us the best chance of executing that gameplan. We need a back who will get the tough yards, we have plenty of weapons for Schaub to throw to and if Slaton can return at least to the level they projected when he was drafted that we aren't in as much of a need for a homerun threat.

Although Mathews can be a fine homerun threat himself in addition to a grinder.

PS: Nothing Arian Foster did at the end of last season cemented him a spot on the roster and more importantly, a spot in the team's gameplans for next season. He's gotta come out improved this season and prove that the last 2 games weren't flukes.

I'm sorry, but I can't put much faith in an undrafted player who couldn't get Chris Brown off the field before we dropped 4 division games in a row. RB is a huge need for us, no matter what the typical Texans late-season surge showed you.
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