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Old 03-05-2010   #1
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From my understanding, if a team signs one of our restricted free agents they have to give up the picks that we tendered them for before the draft right? Is anyone thinking that possibly our front office is waiting to see if we can get anything in the form of draft picks before they make offers and take those possible draft picks off the board.

I mean, OD is coming off a knee injury and we could still possibly get a 1 and 3rd for him. I'd hate to lose him but at the same time, our offense was fairly productive without him. Although we were tearing it up with him.
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I'd think we'd like to sign OD, Ryans, and Pollard as soon as possible. We're letting the process play itself out, and we're prepared to deal with such curveballs. But I don't think we are dangling our guys out there, we just realize that we hold all the cards, so there's no rush to get them signed to unreasonable deals.
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i have no problem with what they are doing with Daniels, Pollard, and DeMeco.

its the same thing the rest of the NFL is doing with their Class of 2006 RFAs.

It would be nice to lock up Demeco and/or Pollard, but there is no rush. It's not like they can't pay the bills. It just may hurt the Texans position when its time to re-sign them before UFA. I think its the right thing for the Texans though...but we should use that money we didn't spend on improving the team and making us a contender so those players may want to stay and win something here in Houston. If we circle the drain in 2010, people won't be going out of their way or taking less to sign with us.

spending a little money to win, could actually save a little money when its time to re-sign players.
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i have no problem with what they are doing with Daniels, Pollard, and DeMeco.

its the same thing the rest of the NFL is doing with their Class of 2006 RFAs.

It would be nice to lock up Demeco and/or Pollard, but there is no rush. It's not like they can't pay the bills. It just may hurt the Texans position when its time to re-sign them before UFA. I think its the right thing for the Texans though...but we should use that money we didn't spend on improving the team and making us a contender so those players may want to stay and win something here in Houston. If we circle the drain in 2010, people won't be going out of their way or taking less to sign with us.

spending a little money to win, could actually save a little money when its time to re-sign players.
Demeco has proven that he is elite and doesn't have a huge question mark, so I would be giddy if they ponied up and paid him. OD has proven he is elite, but he has huge question marks. He is coming off of a bad injury. He is also being very Dunta ish about it. Pollard had a good year, but the NFL is full of guys who had one good year and got paid only to never do anything again.
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There are good reasons other teams are reluctant to sign tendered RFAs - they not only have to give up the picks, but they have to make an offer so big that the original team won't match.

I find it really hard to see any team signing Pollard and giving up a 1st, or (because of his injury) OD and giving up a 1st and 3rd. DeMeco, on the other hand, has shown himself to be a top MLB and is healty, so it is not at all unreasonable that a team might be willing to give up a 1 and 3 to sign him (especially if they are picking late in each round). But, that is a whole lot of work to do with no guarantee of payoff, since the Texans can just match it in the end.

The interesting thing to me is the psychology of some of this - matching is not just a simple action. Once a team makes an offer to an RFA, the original team is now faced with having to give up draft picks in order to keep that player. If someone made an offer to DeMeco, the Texans would have to say "Are WE willing to give up a 1st and 3rd and pay this big contract for DeMeco?"
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There are good reasons other teams are reluctant to sign tendered RFAs - they not only have to give up the picks, but they have to make an offer so big that the original team won't match.

I find it really hard to see any team signing Pollard and giving up a 1st, or (because of his injury) OD and giving up a 1st and 3rd. DeMeco, on the other hand, has shown himself to be a top MLB and is healty, so it is not at all unreasonable that a team might be willing to give up a 1 and 3 to sign him (especially if they are picking late in each round). But, that is a whole lot of work to do with no guarantee of payoff, since the Texans can just match it in the end.

The interesting thing to me is the psychology of some of this - matching is not just a simple action. Once a team makes an offer to an RFA, the original team is now faced with having to give up draft picks in order to keep that player. If someone made an offer to DeMeco, the Texans would have to say "Are WE willing to give up a 1st and 3rd and pay this big contract for DeMeco?"
The Texans would not have to give up any draft picks to retain D-Ryans
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The Texans would not have to give up any draft picks to retain D-Ryans
That's just it - once the other team has made an offer, effectively they have that team's draft picks. They would have to give those picks up (and match the contract) to retain him!

That was my point - it's an interesting psychological effect, because most people (including, I suspect, the teams) don't think of it in those terms - they think of "keeping" him as having no cost other than matching the contract.
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That's just it - once the other team has made an offer, effectively they have that team's draft picks. They would have to give those picks up (and match the contract) to retain him!

That was my point - it's an interesting psychological effect, because most people (including, I suspect, the teams) don't think of it in those terms - they think of "keeping" him as having no cost other than matching the contract.
Opportunity cost.

I have no problem with what Smith did tendering these guys. I do hope it is to buy us some time to sign other players AND work on deals for them though, particularly Demeco. I think a team drafting late (playoff team) would be wise to give up their late 1st and 3rd for a proven probowler in his prime, esp. if they were going to draft an unknown LB at that spot. You give up a late 3rd rd pick for the guarantee that your 1st rounder is a probowler? wise move.

In this case, I hope we get a longterm deal done with Demeco BEFORE another team comes calling. It's not going to be cheaper to match them, it'd be wise to structure it how WE want it structured.

I have no worry that Pollard is going anywhere, I just hope he plays next season like he did this season. Maybe keeping him on the one year deal (contract year) will make him continue to play 'above his level'?

As far as Daniels goes. I LOVE him on this team, I like his attitude and the way he plays the game. He's a HUGE asset on this team. HOWEVER, if a team is willing to give us a 1st and 3rd for him, I have to listen. Not saying I'd do it, but I would entertain the idea. While Dreesen, Casey and Hill are nowhere near the talent Daniels is... OD is coming off injury, we did "fine/okay" with Dreesen in Daniels' absence and having two more early draft picks this year and a DEEP draft could be really useful. You could argue getting a starting RB and DT or OG with those picks could be worth the drop off from Daniels to Dreesen.

Think if at those picks Ryan Matthews and Linval Joseph/Mike Johnson were available. Would you trade OD for those two guys knowing we have Dreesen starting and 8 other draft picks to play with?
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