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Old 03-04-2005   #101
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Seems we are interested in the Rt Gaurd of the Rams, according to Yahoo Sports (happy about that). I think they are in need of defense. A trade works for me.
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However, the best player on the defense the last 10 games of last season was Dunta Robinson, not Jamie Sharper... let's get that straight right now.
Ok, well that's still makes him our 2nd best defender. Name 1 more better if you can, and he's still top 3 on our defense. Also, he's still the best LB we have, a big part of the defense to lose anyway you look at it.


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All this wild-*** speculation and no one is stopping to think that maybe, if Sharper is traded, it is Sharper who wants out?
Yea that was one of my first thoughts


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My first thought when I heard of a possible trade, was that maybe Sharper was asking for the trade.
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All this wild-*** speculation and no one is stopping to think that maybe, if Sharper is traded, it is Sharper who wants out? The dude is a good player, but I don't know if he was a good leader. He has been critical of the team/coaches and has publicly vented his frustration at the course of the franchise before.
I tend to look at it like that too. .. could very well be the truth of the matter. Between the money issue and his outburst.. could be why this is playing out the way it is.
Hope he's back though.
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Just to add to the thought.

Hmmm. Our old D-line coach is now the DC at the Browns, with the 3rd pick. I only bring this up because people are saying that we are going to trade up for DJ. I have the Browns picking DJ at three so to get DJ we would trade Sharper for the Brown's 3rd and our 1st. I still don't like it. Sharper is proven and has been our guy.
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Well, here's the effect on the cap:

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Fri Mar 4, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

ESPN's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans have given LB Jamie Sharper to shop himself in a trade and are considering doing the same with fellow LB Jay Foreman. It's possible the team would accommodate a trade for one of those two and then keep the other. Sharper is considered the player who might command the better value in a trade. Trading Sharper would create significant salary cap room because he's in the last year of his contract. If he is traded, the team would save $5.625 million. Foreman has three years remaining on his contract, so the team would only save $890,000.
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As long as Peek is given his chance to start, I do not care what they do with Sharper/Foreman. Peek and Babin on the outside and Wong and Greenwood on the inside sounds good to me.
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If we dont get a starter for him in return it is not worth it IMO. He is to good of a talent to be getting a 4th round pick. That would just be a major salary dump. In the case that he is the one trying to get out, then let him go. There is no point keeping a player that doesnt want to play for you.
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I understand the position about Sharper and his cap hit, but I dont think that he is declining in his career yet. Just because you go from number one in the league in tackles to number 6 doesn't mean your in decline. PLus we had some of our D-line back, that did not participate in the 03 season, that could contribute to some of his stats declining.

I say we keep Sharper for his last year of his contract and if his produciton falls compared to his 04 numbers then we dont resign him. I know we could get a decent deal out of him yet, but I dont see any reason to trade him unless the deal is decisivley in our favor. I know it is a businees but you have to have some loyalty to your players, which in turn might provoke better effort.

Obviously if DJ falls to us we take him, but I believe Spears and or Merriman would be excellent pickups as well. Plus I dont think we would be able to negotiate a deal for us to move into a higher draft position by just dealing Sharper.

Just my 2 cents...
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So what do you guys think he will go for ? 2nd round pick ? Players ? Position needs ?
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So what do you guys think he will go for ? 2nd round pick ? Players ? Position needs ?
Honestly I really don't see him going for anything, and I'm thinking it might just be a way to give negotiations about a contract extension more of a kick-start. He'll be able to shop himself around, and get an idea of his value and hopefully his demands will become closer to what the Texans think he is worth. That may all be just wishful thinking on my part though.
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NO WAY There is no way in this world the Texans should let Sharper go. When I look it the leadership for this team, I look squarely at Sharper.... Big Mistake, look at any of the pictures taken of the fans in the stands at Reliant...#55 stands out tall. Forgetaboutit, as they say in NY/NJ :woot
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Leadership? What kind of a leader begs to be led?

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"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about Capers and it is probably why he is being offered as trade bait. Sharper isn't really begging to be led as much as he is frustrated with losing games that should have been won. It sounds like he was questioning Capers ability in general. There was a lot of speculation on these bb's when he said that but I still believe he is tired of Capers lack of fire at times when it seems to be needed and some of the conservative play calling when the game is on the line.

If Sharper does get traded I'll bet we will hear a lot more from him than that.

I like Sharper and I don't want to see the Texans trade him. It may turn out to be like the Antonio Bryant and Parcells deal. Belated payback from the coach and an example to the rest of the players.

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Leaders don't whine to the press about their coaches, thats poor leadership skills. jmo
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If I had to guess I would assume the Texans organization is concerned that Sharper will leave at the end of the year. I'm sure they've been in discussions with him to restructure and stretch his contract out over a few years. If he is unwilling to do so, indicating that he wants to leave the team, I believe the best course of action is to see what the Texans can get for him. A first day draft pick is better than having him play for a year and walk away. That draft pick can be used to bring in a younger player that won't be as much of a salary cap hit.

Sharper posted the best 3 years of his career in Houston. The 3-4 defense is designed to allow the ILBs to make the plays and that's what Sharper has done. Had he not played next to Ray Lewis in Baltimore I am sure he would have made more noise there as well. I think the Texans can improve themselves more by moving Wong inside and use a pick to bring more youth/depth onto the team.
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If the Texans hold on to Sharper until his contract runs out (after 2005) and they get nothing in return (trade this year would do the trick), will he be this year's version of David Boston?

He (Boston) was at the end of his contract and ARZ did not get anything for him (through trades) so they let him play his contract out and then he left for SD (via FA).

I believe the same thing happened with the Astros and Mike Hampton.
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I believe the same thing happened with the Astros and Mike Hampton.
The Astros traded Mike Hampton for Octavio Dotel and Roger Cedeno a year before his contract expired.

I agree with your sentiment. It's better to get something now rather than getting nothing in a year.
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I dont think we would have put him up for trade if we intended to resign him next season.

honestly when you step back and look at it...we are not a team thats gonna go out and pay HUGE contracts to veterans. Sharper is an awesome LB and I loved having him.. but he is in the twilight of his career, and I dont see us sacrificing cap space to keep him on with us. if he restructures for the kind of money we can deal with.. then im all for keeping him.. but if he doesnt then I think trading him and replacing him now is a very good move.
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I dont think we would have put him up for trade if we intended to resign him next season.
That is pretty common Grid. One way to check your market value when you refuse to restructure your agreement in the last year is to contact other teams to see if you are truly worth what you are asking for. This is just smart and fair negotiating and helps both sides if you cannot come to an agreement. It's become obvious that the Texans do not want him to play at the 6 mil cap hit next season and have not come to an agreement that both side perceives as fair.
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yah I know that.. well.. at least a few people have said that and ive read it so... yah I understand that that could be the case.

Im just saying that I honestly dont think we put him up for trade for that reason. I think we would like to trade him and get something of value for him so that we can bring in some young talent at that position. I think Sharper is a great player but he isnt a long haul player for us. By trading now, we have the opportunity to GET a player that will be here for the long hual. (im talking about Derrick Johnson of course hehe.. but it could also be someone like Thurman).

Also.. didnt someone post and say that if we traded him his cap hit this year would only be 1.25mil instead of 6mil? that frees up enough space to possibly sign another FA somewhere.

I just see alot of doors opening if we get good value by trading sharper. Though I cant say I would be surprised.. or even disappointed.. if he restructured and stayed.
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