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Old 03-04-2005   #81
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My first thought when I heard of a possible trade, was that maybe Sharper was asking for the trade. I can understand the Texans wanting to trade #55, but I don't understand the timing. Why trade your best defensive player when you finally have a legit shot at the playoffs next season. I could see if we had been to 3 or 4 playoffs, and now declining.
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I just don't see why we spent that much money for that type of player. Where the heck was Kendral Bell and Hartwell in this equation?
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Thursday, the Chiefs entertained Jeremiah Trotter, who passed his physical, and even brought in Kendrell Bell. They previously had Ed Hartwell in for a visit but his contract demands seem quite high according to several teams $10 million to sign and $6 million average.
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I'm not nearly as upset as some of you. Sharper said at the beginning of the year that he needed to make more big plays. He has his share of big plays, but he does not perform to a 6 million a year contract. Sorry he just doesn't. This is his last year...We are on a five year plan right?...It is not like we have to trade him. If we don't get any good offers, we can keep him and most likely lose him next FA period. That should keep everyone happy...one more year...oh boy!!

Seriously, if we can upgrade the team with young talent that helps us get to the superbowl, why not do it.
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My first thought when I heard of a possible trade, was that maybe Sharper was asking for the trade. I can understand the Texans wanting to trade #55, but I don't understand the timing. Why trade your best defensive player when you finally have a legit shot at the playoffs next season. I could see if we had been to 3 or 4 playoffs, and now declining.
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, and it could come in the form of them
approaching Walker to atleast restructure his contract. They gave Payne a new contract, but it was nothing like the numbers Walker got last year. This move with Sharper has got to get all the veterans attention 100% focused.
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Yea nunusguy, I can't understand why they would want to trade Sharper when they have been more than willing to hold on to all of thier other older players.
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I'm reading Sharper is the best player on our defense . I bet Sharper won't be the best this year .
LB is one of our teams deepest positions with alot of young players . Why break the bank if you have a younger player who needs playing time . When the Texans become a fixture in the playoffs Sharper will be a backup .
The 49ers in their glory days got rid of Montana and Lott . Then won another Super Bowl . Sharper is not even in the same sentence as Montana and Lott.
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The 49ers in their glory days got rid of Montana and Lott . Then won another Super Bowl .Sharper is not even in the same sentence as Montana and Lott.
And the Texans are not even in the same sentence as the 49ers in thier glory days.
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:woot Good point so why over pay now .
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If the Texans trade Sharper, and they are dening that they told Wong he was moving inside (which means they probably did indeed say that), and have resigned Polk as back-up. I wouldn't expect them to draft a LB that high unless they want the kid from Maryland to replace Wong. And if they get a good 1st round pick for Sharper look for them to draft Glenn's future replacement.
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Smoke and mirrors, it's all smoke and mirrors.
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Potential starters:
OLB's - Babin, Peek
ILB/OLB's - Wong
ILB's - Greenwood, Sharper, Foreman

I think Foreman is as good as gone (pure speculation). Babin will be our LOLB. Greenwood will take one of the two inside positions. That means we will have either Peek or Wong at ROLB and we will have either Sharper or Wong at the remaining ILB slot. So do we like:

OLB - Babin, Wong
ILB - Sharper, Greenwood
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OLB - Babin, Peek
ILB - Wong, Greenwood

If it is the latter, we SHOULD try to trade Sharper. The guy was Pro Bowl quality in 2003. He was average at best in 2004. I think it is a bit presumptious to assume he is on the downside of his career just because he had an off year. Personally, I have been more disappointed in Kailee Wong. I'd like to see Wong cut/traded and see the following lineup:

OLB - Babin, Peek
ILB - Sharper, Greenwood

If Sharper isn't worth a damn, then don't resign him next year and bring in someone new to man his spot. It wouldn't hurt to go ahead and still draft an ILB in one of the mid rounds.
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I don't have an issue with a trade for Sharper in theory. The issue I do have is a hard time believing his trade value is enough for us to replace him. A high-2nd or better would certainly do the trick for me.

If we were having this discussion last year, he probably could have brought that sort of compensation. This year, though? I just don't see it. Failing to get the compensation necessary to acquire an immediate starter, I'd much rather see us draft a replacement and keep Sharper around for a year while the new guy works out the kinks. Sure his cap number is big, probably in excess of his production - but only for one year and we are in a cap position to handle it.
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Sharper has been the best player on the defense for the first three years.

However, the best player on the defense the last 10 games of last season was Dunta Robinson, not Jamie Sharper... let's get that straight right now.

Sharper would certainly be missed. However, don't criticize the front office for exercising fiscal responsibility, especially when dealing with guys on the backside of their career. There is nothing disrespectful about a team allowing a player to seek a trade when he's in the last year of a contract. It's actually quite respectful. They've probably discussed with him their plans for next season and beyond, and, having been given that information, would like to go elsewhere.
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They still love him in Baltimore ...

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While I can't hardly imagine the Texans without Sharper, it is a business, and I agree with what dalemurphy said. Look at the Pats. They certainly don't mind letting go of their star players, and replacing them with young talent. And if we can get Jamie to restructure, that would be even better.
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you know even in business there has to be some loyality...how does this sound to the rest of the nfl if we are trading our best defensive player...a player that is respected around the league...his comments against capers were that of a competitive nature...not personal...now if he isn't wanting to re-sign his contract because he doesn't believe the team is going in the right direction that's one thing...but i still want him here...he's a leader...he is one of the few recognizable players on this team...and he's a fan favorite...i don't like the way this is going...on the otherside if you read the article from profootballweekley it simply stats that greenwood is displacing foreman and the lineup will look line wong greenwood sharper babin which i think would be awesome...but if sharper is traded it'll make me wonder about this team and where it's headed
All this wild-*** speculation and no one is stopping to think that maybe, if Sharper is traded, it is Sharper who wants out? The dude is a good player, but I don't know if he was a good leader. He has been critical of the team/coaches and has publicly vented his frustration at the course of the franchise before.
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I think we won't get a high pick for him. It would be more of a salary dump. I think we would get something like a 4th or 5th rounder for him, especially since he is in the last year of his contract. We might be able to get more if he agreed to a contract extension with his new team.
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In order to get DJ we have to trade up at least to the eight spot, or initiate a draft trade where we draft at 13 and draft who someone wants and trade them exclusively.
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NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT JAMIE!!!!
He has been a rock since day 1, always there for the team. He is an awesome player and who cares if he has hit 30? He is GOOD and DEPENDABLE. Thanks a lot, I am now very bummed. Jamie is my fave TEXAN. I believe someone has to be whack to think of letting him go!
What is his hit this year? 6mil and some change? HE IS WORTH IT!!!!!!!
I just don't understand this...............
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1. Sharper will be 31 yoa November 23, 2005 not 30. If he resigns for even 3 years, do we need a 33/34 yoa player last two years?
2. Lance Zerline on 610 this morning said 4th rounder in a trade most probable scenario although he thought Sharper worth more than a 4th. Is that better than losing him F/A?
3. Even if we want to trade up for Johnson, we have no idea where he will be picked as I have seen every pick from one to 15(with Texan passing)
4. There seems to be mixed opinion as to evaluation of Sharper (average year in 2004 to "best player". I will bow to the management's final decision as they see every play, game or practice.
5.Players in all sports seem to say "It is a business.." when they are traded or asked to lower salary expectations. Few say it when they are asking for more $.
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