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Old 03-10-2005   #281
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As much as I like him Jaime Sharper is on the decline, aging and overpaid (which he will be next year, with his current contract); and no taking measures to either fix the contract or the position leads to the kind of cap hell that Tennesse, the Niners and soon to be the Colts are in. There are times when it is better to make teh tough choice and cut the palyer and move on, look at how the Steelers and the Pats have re-vamped their LB corps, and as much as we may want him to stay this is that time for Sharper. Also I can't seem to shake teh feeling that either Sharpers comments at the end of the season, or something else, is also factoring into this decision.

This is a decision that sucks form all side; the player, the coach, the GM, the owner and the fans.
I agree Sharper is overpaid but when I look at the Texans roster I see names like Walker, Wong, McKinney, Wiegert, Coleman, Foreman, Glenn, Payne, Brown and I see some big salaries that we aren't always getting a good return on. Sharper is just in the bad position of being in the last year of his contract at a critical time for the Texans $ wise.

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Becasue the Jets front office wouldn't trade away a future Pro-bowler for even our first round pick. Much less an aging over-paid LB, and a fourth round pick.
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I don't see how this is a black eye, and Boselli was already injured so if you consider that a disaster you were expecting way too much. Cap casualties for older players are common.
Just my opinion about Jamie Sharper, and I feel very strong about it. As for Boselli, yes he was injured BUT they had brought him in, expecting him to play at some point. So it was a disaster.
My point was .. totally different story lines .. but equally bad endings.


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I think it is the fact that Sharper has been with us from the start and has played his butt off. He hasn't been injured and isn't rehabbing either. He is still a great player. I understand that this move is all about $ but it really has a sour taste to it right now. This reminds me of the Lawyer Milloy move in New England except they brought in a pro bowler to replace him named Rodney Harrison. Greenwood may prove to be that kind of replacement but that is just it, he will have to come in and prove it. Harrison was already proven.
Sour taste ..yes. The bottom line to me is this.. it just is not going down very well right now, being the way it is going down.
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then how about we go out and sign ed hartwell and then either trade sharper on keep him on 'till next year
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Sour taste ..yes. The bottom line to me is this.. it just is not going down very well right now, being the way it is going down.

I agree with you Sassy.

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Just my opinion about Jamie Sharper, and I feel very strong about it. As for Boselli, yes he was injured BUT they had brought him in, expecting him to play at some point. So it was a disaster.
My point was .. totally different story lines .. but equally bad endings.




Sour taste ..yes. The bottom line to me is this.. it just is not going down very well right now, being the way it is going down.
I think the Texans expected him (Boselli) to play, but I would be very shocked if they weren't thinking that it was always a possibility that he couldn't play. It was a gamble that was worth it in my book.

I have trouble deciding where I stand on the Sharper issue. I hear that he is willing to renegotiate and I hear that he refuses to do so. I hear that he wants out of Houston and I hear that he figures he would stay here for his whole career. Teams that hold on to players beyond their usefulness just because they are big name players end up in cap hell. I don't think Sharper is there yet, but in a 3-4 defense there are probably 20 LBs in the league that could do what Sharper does at a much lesser cost.

I would be surprised if he is released outright. If the Texans can't trade him he would still be better on the roster than not, unless they have other plans already or feel that Babin, Peek, Wong, Greenwood would be as good as Babin, Wong, Greenwood, and Sharper. They cost less which would give us the money to find that #2 receiver or an upgrade on the DLine.
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Just my opinion about Jamie Sharper, and I feel very strong about it. As for Boselli, yes he was injured BUT they had brought him in, expecting him to play at some point. So it was a disaster.
You call it a disaster, I'll call it taking a chance on a player who was the best at his position when we already knew he may not play. The only think we lost was Bob McNairs money. It's not like it cost us another player.
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Sour taste ..yes. The bottom line to me is this.. it just is not going down very well right now, being the way it is going down.
It's going down fine by me. I'm glad we are making a move to revamp the linebackers. They have been over hyped and over-rated from the start here and our defense has been 'bad' the last two years. Our linebacker play was not exceptional in the middle. It was average.
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You know, deep down...you gotta feel for these guys.

Things like this seperate this "game" from a "business".

Good luck to both of them...its gonna be extremely strange not seeing 55 with the dread-locks not on the field.

Another team was faced with a similar decision with a well-loved #55 a couple of years ago. You think Sharper is the face of the defense? How about the Chargers and Seau? That guy was the face of the team for 13 years. It was a tough first year, but it was the right move in the long term and they won a division and got to the playoffs. Granted, it was in the AFC West, but still.
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he said he would restructure i say we keep him
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March 9, 2005
Sharper drawing interest
There seems to be trade interest in Texans inside linebacker Jamie Sharper. The Bengals and Seahawks are among the teams most interested. It will cost a middle round choice -- possibly a fourth -- to get Sharper, who is being replaced by Morlon Greenwood.
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While I do believe some change in the linebacker corps is necessary, I believe the complete overhaul approach is probably not the best way go about it. We already know that Grenwood will be playing inside next season, his first in the 3-4. If Sharper leaves and Wong moves inside, then we have another player with only limited experience playing inside in the 3-4. If we draft a replacement then there will be even less experience. If Wong does move inside, that means a new player will be playing outside, possibly Peek, who has very little starter and every down experience. That would leave Babin, who was a rookie last year, as the only player to stay put. I personally think so much instability cannot be the best way to address our LB issues. Sorry if that's a little long winded.
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I don't see how Sharper saying he would restructure his contract should mean anything. For all we know, he wants even more money and/or a 4-5 year deal...neither of those options is going to be good for the Texans because we must get better at LB. So even if he took a little less money and wanted a long term deal...I don't know if it would be good for the Texans. We know what he can do. I don't think we will see him step his play up another notch from what he has averaged over the last three years, and other than the OLBs making sacks, Sharper is supposed to be the big play LB right? Isn't the mac LB supposed to be the headhunter or something along those lines. He doesn't quite fit that bill to me. It is starting to look like now is the time to move on. Feelings may be hurt but that is a part of life. Our LBs must get better...not stay the same.
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:woot Sharper for Ricky Williams . Vinny do you remember when the Oilers were phasing out Brazile and Bingham ? People were going crazy because they from the Bum era . Sharper was not as good as Brazile but apparently he's more popular .
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I was a big Dr Doom fan. He was LT before LT was LT. I still think he should have more consideration for the Hall of Fame. He was one of the first 240-250 stand up edge rushing linebackers with great speed.
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Robert Brazile was my favorite guy on D in the 70's. He definately deserves more attention as one of the best ever!

That being said, I was hoping for at least a 3rd rounder. But if its between a 4th rounder and just cutting him...
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I read where Brazile has the record for stuffs in a season . In 79 he had 41 for losses of 63 yds. He also was a 7 time pro bowler in 10 seasons . John McClain needs to start pumping him up for the Hall of Fame .
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You call it a disaster, I'll call it taking a chance on a player who was the best at his position when we already knew he may not play. The only think we lost was Bob McNairs money.

It is sad that Boselli kept the money in my opinion.
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It is sad that Boselli kept the money in my opinion.
Would you have given it up?

He signed a contract. Also he restructured it to help the team. I honeslty can't seem to get why so many people make Boselli out to be a bad guy in all of this.
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He was going to take it from the Jags. Nobody forced us to take the risk. I have a hard time blaming Tony B. on that one.
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I'm glad we are making a move to revamp the linebackers. They have been over hyped and over-rated from the start here and our defense has been 'bad' the last two years. Our linebacker play was not exceptional in the middle. It was average.
How about the outside? Surely you aren't implying that Sharper was the weakest link of the 4 starters.
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