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Old 03-03-2005   #41
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We need depth at LB; anyone could get hurt...then what. The contract is backloaded so nobody should worry about those last few years unless he is worth the money. I think we should still try and draft a good ILB prospect because we may loose some guys in the next few years.
I think those are two very good points, and I too would like to see us pick up a young ILB in the draft. This signing just gives us more time to develop a young ILB.
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Somebody(s) out of here--what is the net cap effect of cutting Wong this off-season?
I was wondering the same thing about Foreman. Where's aj when you need him?
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I know Wong (hopefully) wont be back after this season, but Sharper....Declining?? I realize he wasnt in 2003 form last year, but he was still 6th in the N-F-L in tackles. Last year, he wasnt forced to overacheive like he was in 2003 because he had more solid guys around him.
Declining? Sure, they all start declining somewhere and there is no doubt that he didn't have a great year last year. I still watch many of the games even in the off-season. Sharper is in his 9th NFL season and last year he didn't have any major injuries and he was not the impact linebacker that he has been in the past. He was slower to the ball than he has been in the past also. Just because I may feel he may be in decline, it doesn't mean that he is not a good NFL linebacker. I tend to think in more complex terms than he is great or he sux. Sharper should have a ton of tackles because most of the tackles are supposed to be made by him and Foreman in our defense. Compound that with the fact that our defense was on the field way too much he should be in the top 10 in tackles.
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We were one of the worst teams in the NFL when it came to pressuring the QB. We get our pressure from our linebackers.

on all these negative posts in general (not you specifically wildbeardude) How did the Texan fan nation get so negative? All of you guys amaze me.
Don't get me wrong. I like the signing from a player personell perspective. OTOH, as you know, I am not a cheerleader or kool-aid drinker. I calls em as I sees em. If I think they overpaid, I'll state that. I will admit that this guy was not on my radar, and if he is good, then I'll be happy. But, just because the Texans signed a free agent LB doesn't make him good. I'm sure most of you know the history with free agent LB signings by the Texans, or do I need to remind you?

Lucky had a good point though, and that makes me feel a bit better.
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Don't get me wrong. I like the signing from a player personell perspective. OTOH, as you know, I am not a cheerleader or kool-aid drinker. I calls em as I sees em. If I think they overpaid, I'll state that. I will admit that this guy was not on my radar, and if he is good, then I'll be happy.
Let me ask you this then....

If you never heard of the guy and didn't see many Dolphin games then how to your form the basis of your opinion that we were hoodwinked and over-paid him?
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this signing is very interesting when you hear that we are moving wong inside greenwood projects better at ILB than OLB so my question is this...is foreman now on the trading block for draft picks?
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foreman now on the trading block for draft picks?
Foreman has zero trade value.
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Greenwood did well in the role he was given with the Dolphins. He wasn't a star but he was steady. I'm curious to see where we project him to play.
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Something is strange with Pasquarelli's report about Wong. Greenwood has the speed/coverage ability, build and prior experience (I know he was OLB but it was in a 4-3 behind Taylor and Ogunleye) IMO to be the replacement for Foreman, not an OLB for us. But if Wong is moving inside we have way too much money and way to few ILB spots for the guys we have. Somebody(s) out of here--what is the net cap effect of cutting Wong this off-season?
We're not so close to the cap that Wong needs to go this year. After this year he's a FA, so his salary doesn't represent a "cap hell" threat. We could still extend Sharper another year (he's also due for FA after this year) to lower his cap number by 2-2.5 mil if we want to pick up one more quality FA.
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Supposedly Greenwood is a VERY fast LB.. who isnt very strong going heads up against olinemen. This would lead me to beleive he probably projects better into OLB than ILB.

we wont really know though till we see him playing for us.
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I'm sure most of you know the history with free agent LB signings by the Texans, or do I need to remind you?
Ouch! Yeah Clemons was a major disappointment.
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Foreman has zero trade value.
Come on now. I'm sure we could get a pack of gum, or maybe tickets to a NHL game for him.
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Ouch! Yeah Clemons was a major disappointment.
Clemons was a huge dissapointment.
This year is starting to remind me alot of last year.

2004' *IE- Walker gets re-signed first, player we weren't expecting from Miami gets signed (Todd Wade), biggest offseason move aquiring Robaire Smith
2005' *IE- Payne gets re-signed first, player we weren't expecting from Miami gets signed (Morlon Greenwood), is the big one looming around the corner?
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What i get from this transaction ....

First and foremost , the Texans management does'nt think that Peek is gonna be an every down player THIS SEASON . As much physical talent as the guy has , I have to agree (at least for now) . Or at least until he shows some maturity , he's just too prone to the silly penalty .


Wong will be gone next season . Or will have to re-structure / extend his contract to be more cap friendly . He's a solid player but not worth the cap hit after this season .

The front office finally understands that Foreman isnt very good and most if not all the other LB's on the roster are an upgrade .He's most likely released next season as well.

Lastly the Texans arent in a positoin of NEED at the LB position come draft draft day and can look to improve their other glaring weaknesses . OL , DL , TE and an eventual replacement for Glenn. As well as another WR and RB.
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What i get from this transaction ....

First and foremost , the Texans management does'nt think that Peek is gonna be an every down player THIS SEASON . As much physical talent as the guy has , I have to agree (at least for now) . Or at least until he shows some maturity , he's just too prone to the silly penalty .
I think he came here to play inside linebacker (the buc), so this would not effect Peek.
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I've watched practically every Dolphin game for the past three and a half seasons, and I can tell you he really isn't anything too special. His name isn't called out too many times during a game, but then again, when you have players like Jason Taylor and Zack Thomas in THAT defense, you're going to be overshadowed. I can't really give this signing a thumbs-down because he's relatively young, and I know he is better than Foreman because he can actually RUN. He's more suited to be on the outside because he's small. The linebacker competition will be VERY interesting come training camp.
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you say that yet in the 3-4 defense the OLB's are generally bigger than the ILB's...mostly converted college DE's
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I've watched practically every Dolphin game for the past three and a half seasons, and I can tell you he really isn't anything too special. His name isn't called out too many times during a game, but then again, when you have players like Jason Taylor and Zack Thomas in THAT defense, you're going to be overshadowed. I can't really give this signing a thumbs-down because he's relatively young, and I know he is better than Foreman because he can actually RUN. He's more suited to be on the outside because he's small. The linebacker competition will be VERY interesting come training camp.
He had 108 tackles last year and was second on the team behind Zach Thomas. The Dolphins also had one tough defense although the rest of the team blew.

Greenwood is also 240 pounds so I'm not shure how you define "small" (Foreman is 240 also). That is plenty big for the Buc postion in our defense.
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I've watched practically every Dolphin game for the past three and a half seasons, and I can tell you he really isn't anything too special. His name isn't called out too many times during a game, but then again, when you have players like Jason Taylor and Zack Thomas in THAT defense, you're going to be overshadowed.

Not only that, but his production picked up because Seau went down. I know he was a total non-factor in both of the Fish games vs the Pats last season.
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another thing...a lot of people on this board have been wanting derrick johnson to be our first round pick...and projected him to the ILB position...we all agreed that johnson wasn't big enough to really project well in the 3-4 system and johnson and greenwood have similar bodies...just a thought
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