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Old 03-03-2005   #21
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Why? Foreman and Wong both make as much or more in the next two years. Perhaps the Texans evaluate talent better than you do. This is a guy who is just entering his peak years. People are quick to complain around here.
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Where does this leave Cheatwood?
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This is a pretty bad signing if you ask me. Babin - Sharper - Wong - Peek would have been a damn good enough core of LBs, especially given the fact that noone in the division is even close to that strong(spare maybe TEN).This money and about an extra mil off the Payne signing could have landed us either a solid #2 WR or a decent CB. I dont really have a problem with the Payne signing(other than it being a LITTLE high) since we had NO NTs on the roster but this was a bad, bad signing.
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This is a pretty bad signing if you ask me. Babin - Sharper - Wong - Peek would have been a damn good enough core of LBs, especially given the fact that noone in the division is even close to that strong(spare maybe TEN).
We were one of the worst teams in the NFL when it came to pressuring the QB. We get our pressure from our linebackers.

on all these negative posts in general (not you specifically wildbeardude) How did the Texan fan nation get so negative? All of you guys amaze me.
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The first yr is fine, but a 5 million dollar salary for an average LB?
He'll never see the $5 million salary in '09. Either Greenwood will have his contract extended and turn the $5 mil into a bonus, or he'll be released. In fact, it will be cheaper to release Morlon than keep him in '08. I see this deal as a 3 year, $13.5 million contract.
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How did the Texan fan nation get so negative? All of you guys amaze me.
I'm being positive about this signing and the way the offseason is going Vinny I would be even more happy if we could sign Travis Taylor to compliment Andre and draft Marcus Spears to replace Gary Walker
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yah.. he is young and has plenty of upside. he wont see the large part of his contract unless he DOES turn into a pro bowl LB. if he doesnt, we will get rid of him and not lose to much money doing it.

It was a good deal. I like how our LBs are shaping up. I like Wong too but lets face it.. he isnt the total package. he CAN be upgraded and Greenwood may be that guy. If nothing else.. it looks like Greenwood could be either an OLB or an ILB for us.. so we will just have to see where he ends up.

I like this signing.
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We were one of the worst teams in the NFL when it came to pressuring the QB. We get our pressure from our linebackers. How did the Texan fan nation get so negative? All of you guys amaze me.
Which is exactly the point. Peek and Babin are fine, high octane pass rushing/run stopping OLBs.Both very young and need time on the field to progress. Wong can also more than move in when necessary. You then use Sharper as a clog when the others blitz.

You then save the money from this bad signing and get something to help out the offense.Psssst here's a stat for you, 21st in points scored, "only" 15th in Points allowed.
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We were one of the worst teams in the NFL when it came to pressuring the QB. We get our pressure from our linebackers.
I agree. I think you can never have enough good LBs in a 3-4. Outside of our starters we need some good backups to be able to rotate in from time to time, and to be able to have an equally good LB ready to come in if a starter goes down with an injury.
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Can't remember who, but there was someone around here that was big on wrestlers. From the announcement on the home page:

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HOUSTON – The Houston Texans have agreed to a contract with unrestricted free agent LB Morlon Greenwood, it was announced today.

Greenwood (6-0, 238) started 15-of-16 games and recorded a career high 129 tackles for the Miami Dolphins in 2004. Greenwood finished second on the team in total tackles while leading the Dolphins in tackles in three separate contests. He recorded a season high 15 tackles during the Dolphins' 24-17 win at San Francisco.

The former Syracuse Orangeman was selected in the third round (88th overall) of the 2001 NFL draft. Greenwood moved into the starting lineup against the New England Patriots where he started the final 12 games during his rookie season, recording 70 tackles and his career best 1.5 sacks.

As a member of the Dolphins, Greenwood contributed to a defense ranked in the top-10 for each of the four years he played with the team. He has amassed 354 total tackles in 62 games, starting 52 games at strongside linebacker.

Entering his fifth season, Greenwood looks to make the transition from playing in a 4-3 system to a 3-4 with the Texans. He played middle and outside linebacker during his four years at Syracuse where he was named first-team All Big East during his junior and senior season, posting 187 tackles during those two seasons.

Greenwood was born in Jamaica and moved to Long Island, N.Y. when he was 11 years old. He began playing football during his junior year of high school. He went on to earn all-state honors at Freeport High School during his senior season. He was also the New York state wrestling champion in the 215-pound weight class.
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I agree. I think you can never have enough good LBs in a 3-4. Outside of our starters we need some good backups to be able to rotate in from time to time, and to be able to have an equally good LB ready to come in if a starter goes down with an injury.
Which is all well and good, but you dont pay backups 5 for 22. If you plug him in as a starter, then either you force a good young player to the bench or you bench Wong and have another expensive backup.
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I like the signing. We have some big question marks about the LB position comming up after the 2005 season. The fact that the Texans are preparing for that now is great to me. We need depth at LB; anyone could get hurt...then what. The contract is backloaded so nobody should worry about those last few years unless he is worth the money. I think we should still try and draft a good ILB prospect because we may loose some guys in the next few years.
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Which is exactly the point. Peek and Babin are fine, high octane pass rushing/run stopping OLBs.Both very young and need time on the field to progress. Wong can also more than move in when necessary. You then use Sharper as a clog when the others blitz.

You then save the money from this bad signing and get something to help out the offense.Psssst here's a stat for you, 21st in points scored, "only" 15th in Points allowed.
Wong may not be here after this year. He is in his last contract year and has not been above average. Sharper had the worst year of the 3 Texans seasons last year and very well may be a player in decline. On top of that he is a 6+ million dollar cap hit who doesn't play like a 6 million dollar player and is in the last year of his contract also. This may be a shock to you but the team is probably looking further ahead than this year when it comes to signing free agents. The new linebacker is just now entering his prime years. I'm pretty happy we are shoring up this position. Huge upgrade over Foreman.


PS: Payne is on 610am right now live if you catch this.
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I'll trust the Texans and Charlie Casserly..for now.
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This is a pretty bad signing if you ask me. Babin - Sharper - Wong - Peek would have been a damn good enough core of LBs, especially given the fact that noone in the division is even close to that strong(spare maybe TEN).This money and about an extra mil off the Payne signing could have landed us either a solid #2 WR or a decent CB. I dont really have a problem with the Payne signing(other than it being a LITTLE high) since we had NO NTs on the roster but this was a bad, bad signing.
Yeah those Jag LBs suck...

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Which is all well and good, but you dont pay backups 5 for 22. If you plug him in as a starter, then either you force a good young player to the bench or you bench Wong and have another expensive backup.
With Wong likely leaving after this season I don't see it as a bad signing. You get a young guy in here to learn from some veteran LBs with experience in the 3-4, and if he picks up the system and performs well then you don't need to go after a guy next year to fill in for Wong. If, on the other hand, he performs poorly, or doesn't fit in the system then you can still get rid of him before he becomes too costly.
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Something is strange with Pasquarelli's report about Wong. Greenwood has the speed/coverage ability, build and prior experience (I know he was OLB but it was in a 4-3 behind Taylor and Ogunleye) IMO to be the replacement for Foreman, not an OLB for us. But if Wong is moving inside we have way too much money and way to few ILB spots for the guys we have. Somebody(s) out of here--what is the net cap effect of cutting Wong this off-season?
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Wong may not be here after this year. He is in his last contract year and has not been above average. Sharper had the worst year of the 3 Texans seasons last year and very well may be a player in decline. On top of that he is a 6+ million dollar cap hit who doesn't play like a 6 million dollar player and is in the last year of his contract also. This may be a shock to you but the team is probably looking further ahead than this year when it comes to signing free agents. Everyone yawned when the Patriots signed Mike Vrabel and Teddy Brusci (same kind of signing). The new linebacker is just now entering his prime years. I'm pretty happy we are shoring up this position.


PS: Payne is on 610am right now live if you catch this.
I know Wong (hopefully) wont be back after this season, but Sharper....Declining?? I realize he wasnt in 2003 form last year, but he was still 6th in the N-F-L in tackles. Last year, he wasnt forced to overacheive like he was in 2003 because he had more solid guys around him.
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