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Old 03-03-2005   #1
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I hear this guy is awesome and totall underrated

Greenwood signs five-year, $22.5 million deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2004143

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I hear this guy is awesome and totall underrated

Greenwood signs five-year, $22.5 million deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2004143
Sounds good. Perhaps even more significant, notice in the link that the Texans have already told Wong that he'll be moving inside this year?
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Agreed on the move for Wong. We've all been waiting for the day Wong would move back inside. He's better there anyways. So now you got Peek, Greenwood, Sharper, Babin and Wong all rotating in and out of the linebacker positions. Excellent!
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And holy shz did you guys overpay him. $7 million signing bonus for an average LB? Wow. I don't want to hear any cracks about us overpaying for Hayward. At least Hayward makes plays.
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This probably moves ILB down on our draft needs. I still wouldn't be surprised to see us take one though.
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This is good news, now the only thing we have to do is focus on improving the D-line and the CB position through the draft
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Actually it sounds like Wong is getting moved inside and Greenwood might move outside. So I guess this projects to:

Outside Babin (L), Greenwood (R)
Inside Wong, Sharper

with Foreman and Peek as the top backups. Not sure who would play left and right on the inside this season.
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I don't know if this is good news or not. I'm not real familiar with this guy. He seems small for the outside (6' 238 lbs). Could be a play maker like Dat Nguyen though. I would rather have seen us pursue Hartwell or K. Bell.

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Actually it sounds like Wong is getting moved inside and Greenwood might move outside. So I guess this projects to:

Outside Babin (L), Greenwood (R)
Inside Wong, Sharper

with Foreman and Peek as the top backups. Not sure who would play left and right on the inside this season.
You think so? Maybe its my wishful thinking but if anything I think this shoves Wong into a backup role (eventhough espn says otherwise). Peek is ready to hold the job on his own on the outside IMO. I think you need to use a guy like Wong both inside and out and you keep guys like greenwood and sharper stuffing the run in the middle. Then again I'm no coach.
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I don't know if this is good news or not. I'm not real familiar with this guy. He seems small for the outside (6' 238 lbs). Could be a play maker like Dat Nguyen though. I would rather have seen us pursue Hartwell or K. Bell.
Again I really don't think we're using him on the outside, but if we do, he played it succesfully in Miami.
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4.5 million average for 5 years is alot for a non probowl player, lets hope they did their research because being a linebacker on the worst team in the league doesn't get you noticed.

He has a cap hit of just under 2 million for this year.
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You think so? Maybe its my wishful thinking but if anything I think this shoves Wong into a backup role (eventhough espn says otherwise). Peek is ready to hold the job on his own on the outside IMO. I think you need to use a guy like Wong both inside and out and you keep guys like greenwood and sharper stuffing the run in the middle. Then again I'm no coach.
Remember the five year plan?... It's important to think about the 2006 lineup when looking at this deal... Peek, Babin on the outside and Greenwood, Sharper? on the inside... Wong, Foreman, and maybe Sharper will all be gone next year. He'll likely replace Foreman this year as the starter and Wong will share time and backup all 4 Lb positions.
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4.5 million average for 5 years is alot for a non probowl player, lets hope they did their research because being a linebacker on the worst team in the league doesn't get you noticed.

He has a cap hit of just under 2 million for this year.
$7 million bonus over 5 years isn't much. I'd rather have my team looking for young improving players with potential to sign to 5 year deals, than signing aged veterans like Hugh Douglas to big deals... Obviously, our scouts and coaches like this guy and think he'll be worth it. We'll see soon enough.
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I'm thinking that this might shake out with Babin and Peek on the outsides starting. With Sharper and either Wong/Greenwood starting at the other ILB position. Then that would leave both Polk and Wong/Greenwood as depth at ILB, and Charlie Anderson and perhaps a Merriman/Ware/Goddard (wishful thinking) as depth at our other OLB position. In this scenario Foreman would get the axe, and be out looking for work. I think this signing may be a more of an indicator of what will happen next offseason. They might be experimenting with Greenwood so they'll be able to let Wong go.

What intrigues me is having Wong and Greenwood who are both good in coverage, and also having Sharper who is pretty good too. Polk is okay, and Foreman blows. I wonder which LBs will be in when it's a nickle situation. You always want Sharper on the field, but who's better in coverage Greenwood or Wong? Babin and Peek would likely be in as DEs.
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^^Even though the Dolphins were one of the worst teams in the NFL, they still had the #8 ranked defense. It wasn't the Dolphin's defensive players that caused the team to be so bad.
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[quote=texasguy346]I'm thinking that this might shake out with Babin and Peek on the outsides starting. With Sharper and either Wong/Greenwood starting at the other ILB position. Then that would leave both Polk and Wong/Greenwood as depth at ILB, and Charlie Anderson and perhaps a Merriman/Ware/Goddard (wishful thinking) as depth at our other OLB position. QUOTE]

Oh jeez.... we would be ridiculously strong at the linebacker position
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Wong has a 2005 cap hit of $4,400,000 and is in the last year of his deal. He may not be around after this year. Wong didn't do to well inside when he was in last year and looked lost when he replaced Foreman. I'm not sure he has enough speed for the coverage responsiblities. We may not have Foreman and Wong as our core linebackers after this season.
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Wong has a 2005 cap hit of $4,400,000 and is in the last year of his deal. He may not be around after this year. Wong didn't do to well inside when he was in last year and looked lost when he replaced Foreman. I'm not sure he has enough speed for the coverage responsiblities. We may not have Foreman and Wong as our core linebackers after this season.
Losing both of those guys is fine with me. Wong plays smart ball but he's hardly a show stopper, Foreman just sucks.
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The contract is worth $22.5 million and includes a $7 million signing bonus. Greenwood will earn salaries of $540,000 (for 2005), $2.56 million (2006), $3.4 million (2007), $4 million (2008) and $5 million (2009). Those salaries include $100,000 workout bonuses for some seasons.

Are they nuts? That is way too much for this guy. He better turn into Ray Lewis Jr. The first yr is fine, but a 5 million dollar salary for an average LB? Maybe I am way underestimating him. Time will tell. But, as of right now, I don't like that deal. His agent held up the Texans. Someone had too much cafeine.
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