Put the pink soap away for good: Kubiak extended until 2012

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Who would you rather have coach the Texans in 2010, Gary Kubiak or Herm Edwards?

If you actually answer Herm Edwards then there is clearly no point in conversing anymore.

I choose the option "C," which was written in invisible ink.

NEITHER.

You already knew that, though.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

You give Denny Green credit for turning around a historically bad franchise? Okay, what did Kubiak do?

Green got the Cardinals to "o.k." with his drafts, but the franchise knew
they NEEDED to change the coaching regime to take the NEXT STEP.

Why is our defense for the horrible division record "Well, our division teams
are better than THEIR division teams. If we woulda-coulda-shoulda played
in THEIR division, we'd be...."

If that's the standard we hold our coaching staff to, no wonder we struggle
to make the playoffs. Should we be aiming for 10-6 (0-6 divisional) to make
the playoffs?

Bob Mcnair just told us such a low standard is good enough. Well, it ain't
enough for some of us here. If Kubiak turns into the gameday tactician this
team needs in 2010, no one will be happier than me. I just wish I had
some evidence to convince me such an occurrence is likely next season.
So what if we have a bunch of pro bowlers. We still need the chessmaster
to get those pieces to dominate the board.

Is Gary Kubiak that Chessmaster? At this point in time, NO.
TK himself started a thread awhile back saying "Kubiak wasn't ready!"

How long must we wait? No other coach in the league has gotten as
much rope as Kubiak to turn a team around, and if the first and last
home games of 2010 are any indication, the fans at Reliant are tightening
up the noose on Kubiak much like they did David Carr.

It's good to see, too.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

Green got the Cardinals to "o.k." with his drafts, but the franchise knew
they NEEDED to change the coaching regime to take the NEXT STEP.

Why is our defense for the horrible division record "Well, our division teams
are better than THEIR division teams. If we woulda-coulda-shoulda played
in THEIR division, we'd be...."

If that's the standard we hold our coaching staff to, no wonder we struggle
to make the playoffs. Should we be aiming for 10-6 (0-6 divisional) to make
the playoffs?

Bob Mcnair just told us such a low standard is good enough. Well, it ain't
enough for some of us here. If Kubiak turns into the gameday tactician this
team needs in 2010, no one will be happier than me. I just wish I had
some evidence to convince me such an occurrence is likely next season.
So what if we have a bunch of pro bowlers. We still need the chessmaster
to get those pieces to dominate the board.

Is Gary Kubiak that Chessmaster? At this point in time, NO.
TK himself started a thread awhile back saying "Kubiak wasn't ready!"

How long must we wait? No other coach in the league has gotten as
much rope as Kubiak to turn a team around, and if the first and last
home games of 2010 are any indication, the fans at Reliant are tightening
up the noose on Kubiak much like they did David Carr.

It's good to see, too.

I totally understand your concern with Kubiak. He's been coaching for 4 years and hasn't got the team in the playoffs. And, last year, he certainly had enough talent. And, we've seen instances of teams no more talented than the '08 squad make the playoffs. I get it. I also get that most owners aren't as patient as McNair has been. However, I'm hopeful that the patience is going to pay off. Mainly, I don't want to lose sight of the fact that Kubiak has done a very good job turning this organization around. That's all I was trying to say. When I'm comparing divisions, it is just to make the point that the job in Houston is more difficult than many of the others. It's not an excuse. I agree. We need to win the division. But, I think it would be ashame for McNair not to take into account the quality of the division we play in. If he made a decision by simply looking at Arizona's success and thinking, "they did it, why can't we?"... that would be troubling. It's a bigger job here. You could argue that means it requires an even better coach... I get that. I just don't agree. At least not yet.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Grams

This is getting old and boring. Everyone knows who is who in this zoo.

Can we move on to more interesting topics?

From any of the main forums. Click on the "New Thread" button. You can start a thread about anything you like. If there are other like minded individuals, your thread will take off, or there will be a bunch of new "more interesting" threads popping up.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

If he made a decision by simply looking at Arizona's success and thinking, "they did it, why can't we?"... that would be troubling.

No one can look at Arizona, & think their success started when Wisenhunt took that job. Any rational person would understand the turnaround started 5 years before their play-off appearance with Denny Green.

DexC says they fired Green because they "knew" he couldn't take that next step... which I think is bull. IMHO, Green was becoming unstable, and lost his ability to handle pressure.... maybe that's saying the same thing, I don't know. But I believe he could have had the same success in Arizona that he had in Minnesota.

If Arizona is the yardstick, I think we're right on schedule.

Super Bowl next year BABY

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Vinny

What do you read into the comments Mario had about how he wished he played harder this year?

I didn't see them so can you provide a link?

[TexansBull]

I have been reading this thread for a few days and haven't seen this brought up but maybe it has.

Do yall think is it possible that McNair actually made the safest decison in extending Kubiaks
contract? Let me explain. With the strike coming up let's just say we could lose a season or atleast not get a normal one.
So infact maybe the extension is only for two years and not the three? Perfect example are the Cowboys.
Wade didn't deserve his extension either. Getting the Cowboys out of the first round was not an
accomplishment for them but just a hump for them to get over. Jerry wants to win every year, and if
its not within breathing room of the SB its probably a bad year to him. Making it to the playoffs every
year is average to him, but doesn't want to change course when there is uncertainty looming.

Maybe McNair saw this and said even though my team didn't make the playoffs, we still got past
a roadblock and changing coaches with a strike coming may do more harm than good. Maybe McNair
took a small victory, took the safest decision, and extended Kubiak while the price is cheap, and essentially
bought insurance knowing that Kubiak won't screw up the team. Kubiak is going to keep building a solid team, there
is an agreement he has done that well, and still can leave it in good shape for some else to come in
if needed. Imagine if another coach did come in. Wouldn't there be the exscuse to keep him longer of the strike?
I will give McNair the benefit of the doubt on this one that he knows what was best because you don't
get that kind of money by making stupid management decisions.

And if there is a strike, does Kubiak still get paid? If he doesn't, then it will be cheaper to keep him,
remove the pressure of the contract year, and then fire him at a cheaper costif he doesn't
Make the playoffs? And then gets another year following, probably easy schedule to do it. The guy needs to
make the playoffs next year, is going to have a year cut short the following, and then the players
will come back the following in better shape the previous one cut short. If the players are on strike,
are they going to be in playing condition? Well, there is an exscuse there too then.

The point I am making is there is reason not to give Kubiak the extension, and there is reason to keep
him. Sometimes there isn't a cookie cutter approach to solving a problem and you can't say look at
them - they did what we are trying to do. This is a special situation with many dynamics that makes
this complicated to solve. So everyone is right. There. Move on to a new topic. I need more reading
material.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by TexansBull

I have been reading this thread for a few days and haven't seen this brought up but maybe it has.

Do yall think is it possible that McNair actually made the safest decison in extending Kubiaks
contract? Let me explain. With the strike coming up let's just say we could lose a season or atleast not get a normal one.

It's also possible that Kubiak wanted Fox. After realizing that wasn't going to happen, he figured it would be better to just keep Kubiak.

As much as Cowher's name has been tossed around here, McNair may have no intention of ever bringing "The Chin" to Houston. For whatever reason.

[TexansBull]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

It's also possible that Kubiak wanted Fox. After realizing that wasn't going to happen, he figured it would be better to just keep Kubiak.

As much as Cowher's name has been tossed around here, McNair may have no intention of ever bringing "The Chin" to Houston. For whatever reason.

Its because of what Cowher said on national TV.

True, there is a love affair with Cowher. Its the image everyone loves and the respect he brings. Personally, I don't think he would have made it that long with steelers for so many years in todays media and fans' message boards. How many years did it take to win the big one and whatever happened to Kordell Stewart?

[False Start]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Who would you rather have coach the Texans in 2010, Gary Kubiak or Herm Edwards?

[GP]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

No one can look at Arizona, & think their success started when Wisenhunt took that job. Any rational person would understand the turnaround started 5 years before their play-off appearance with Denny Green.

DexC says they fired Green because they "knew" he couldn't take that next step... which I think is bull. IMHO, Green was becoming unstable, and lost his ability to handle pressure.... maybe that's saying the same thing, I don't know. But I believe he could have had the same success in Arizona that he had in Minnesota.

If Arizona is the yardstick, I think we're right on schedule.

Super Bowl next year BABY

It's not inconceivable to think that the Cardinals felt Dennis Green was hitting a ceiling. At that point, you risk losing your players to the devouring beast of mediocrity.

The Cardinals became competent again, under Dennis Green.

I see Mangini as essentially doing the same thing with the Jets, then going full tilt and getting canned for his freakness that he had going on.

Which then ushered in Rex Ryan. Seems, for now, like it was a positive step in a direction that was better than Mangini.

Speaking of Mangini: I suspect Holmgren knows Mangini is destined for suckitude in 2010, and so Holmgren can swoop in and become a head coach after having one season to assemble a draft class that he had some input upon. Pretty smart, if you ask me. Ain't no way Holgren comes in and genuinely believes that Mangini deserves to be back for 2010. NO way.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GP

It's not inconceivable to think that the Cardinals felt Dennis Green was hitting a ceiling. At that point, you risk losing your players to the devouring beast of mediocrity.

The Cardinals became competent again, under Dennis Green.

Fair enough... I don't believe he could have handled the pressure.. but I believe he could still do the job of evaluating talent, and getting them prepared to play at a high level.

Originally Posted by GP

I see Mangini as essentially doing the same thing with the Jets, then going full tilt and getting canned for his freakness that he had going on.

Which then ushered in Rex Ryan. Seems, for now, like it was a positive step in a direction that was better than Mangini.

For all the bottom liners.... explain to me how Rex Ryan's 9-7 is better than Mangini's 9-7?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

For all the bottom liners.... explain to me how Rex Ryan's 9-7 is better than Mangini's 9-7?

Mangini had a HOFer at QB. Ryan did it with a rookie QB.

[GP]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

For all the bottom liners.... explain to me how Rex Ryan's 9-7 is better than Mangini's 9-7?

You Sunshiners really have no ability to see intangibles, do you?

I mean, there was a time for Sunshining. I Sunshined all off-season, but my time in the sun came to an end when we hit "divisional skid row" and our head coach failed to address the Brown & Brown duo who effectively killed our playoff hopes with the Suck Power they contain in Chris' hand and Kris' foot.

At that point, records be damned! What one team did with a 9-7 record and what we did with OUR 9-7 record is very important.

LOL.

It's as if we made the Imaginary Playoffs because we had a 9-7 record, too.

If this is what we're dealing with--An inability to admit that a team of similar record SEIZED their opportunities, while we blew ours (going 1-5 in our own division)--then I am done with this nonsense, TK.

It's getting to the point of futility, for both sides.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Mangini had a HOFer at QB. Ryan did it with a rookie QB.

Rex Ryan is not scared. That's Buddy Ryan DNA if I ever saw it.

Rex also handled a mid-season slide and turned it around. When the chips were down, they could have folded. But they didn't want to be like the Texans. They chose to seize the opportunities in front of them.

Buddy Ryan punched Gilbride for a reason: Softness and stupidity. Buddy Ryan is a soaper if there ever was one.

I don't doubt for one second that Rex heard his father rant and rave, for years upon years afterwards, how softness and stupidity will kill an NFL every time.

There's just a basic, underlying, fundamental approach that Gary Kubiak seems to embody that's hitting a ceiling. I see lots of bumps on the noggin for many people in 2010.

[WWJD]

Originally Posted by GP

You Sunshiners really have no ability to see intangibles, do you?

I mean, there was a time for Sunshining. I Sunshined all off-season, but my time in the sun came to an end when we hit "divisional skid row" and our head coach failed to address the Brown & Brown duo who effectively killed our playoff hopes with the Suck Power they contain in Chris' hand and Kris' foot.

At that point, records be damned! What one team did with a 9-7 record and what we did with OUR 9-7 record is very important.

LOL.

It's as if we made the Imaginary Playoffs because we had a 9-7 record, too.

If this is what we're dealing with--An inability to admit that a team of similar record SEIZED their opportunities, while we blew ours (going 1-5 in our own division)--then I am done with this nonsense, TK.

It's getting to the point of futility, for both sides.

You really make a ton of sense. Good old common sense.

[WWJD]

Originally Posted by GP

Rex Ryan is not scared. That's Buddy Ryan DNA if I ever saw it.

Rex also handled a mid-season slide and turned it around. When the chips were down, they could have folded. But they didn't want to be like the Texans. They chose to seize the opportunities in front of them.

Buddy Ryan punched Gilbride for a reason: Softness and stupidity. Buddy Ryan is a soaper if there ever was one.

I don't doubt for one second that Rex heard his father rant and rave, for years upon years afterwards, how softness and stupidity will kill an NFL every time.

There's just a basic, underlying, fundamental approach that Gary Kubiak seems to embody that's hitting a ceiling. I see lots of bumps on the noggin for many people in 2010.

I can't stand Buddy Ryan but you're right about Rex..he is just like his fat little old daddy.

Just a taller fatter version.

[GP]

Originally Posted by WWJD

I can't stand Buddy Ryan but you're right about Rex..he is just like his fat little old daddy.

Just a taller fatter version.

LOL.

Yeah, when Rex Ryan flipped off the hecklers at the Strikeforce MMA event in Florida recently, I was like "Yep, that's Buddy Ryan's kid!"

They tend to respond to acts of aggression with their own brand of aggression.

[WWJD]

Originally Posted by GP

LOL.

Yeah, when Rex Ryan flipped off the hecklers at the Strikeforce MMA event in Florida recently, I was like "Yep, that's Buddy Ryan's kid!"

They tend to respond to acts of aggression with their own brand of aggression.

Buddy was always one of those that talked alot of noise but he'd run at the first sign of stuff coming his way.

I'm thinking Rex would probably take it. He certainly has NO problem saying what he means.

Or showing what he means.

Funny how much Rex is like Buddy...and then you have Wade and Bum who would never act that way.

Wade is alot like his daddy too in alot of ways.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Who would you rather have coach the Texans in 2010, Gary Kubiak or Herm Edwards?

If you actually answer Herm Edwards then there is clearly no point in conversing anymore.

It couldn't be argued that between Kubes and Edwards?? Really?? Lol!

I don't think there is if you're involved where any Texans player or coach is being discussed, because it's nothing but excuses and spins with you. You constantly call Kubes a better coach than other coaches who have achieved more and down grade them while putting Kubes on a Pedastool for smaller achievements if you could even call them achievements at all. To say that there is no point to even having a discussion regarding Herm Edwards, is well very silly considering Herm has still had more success than Gary has. He's been to a playoffs and been part of a team that has gone further than the Texans have, so to act like it wouldn't be up for discussion when Herm's actually gone further makes that comment look just uninformed and silly. If Herm Edwards was the coach of the Texans you'd be acting like he learned all of this stuff in NY and in KC and is now ready to be a long time great HC and you'd be comparing him to Billicheck since BB struggled in Cleveland and you'd probably say that it's what Herm needed the same way you make these silly comparisons of Kubes to Fisher and Tom Landry when they're not comparable at all. If the player or coach is currently a Texan, you have a multitude of optimism no matter the situation or circumstances. If you argued for David Carr of all people, now come on. You tried chastising me a few months back for saying Frank Okam wasn't going to do squat as well when he had been showing nothing. You might as well just come out and say that every Texans player is better than every other player in the league and Kubes is going to be the best coach in the NFL.