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Decided to put various thoughts together on the Center/Guards position for the Texans.

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I'm not sure if any of this is particularly revolutionary, but it is attempt to wrap my head around the issues....in a fair way.

(Just trying to encourage non-bombthrowing, potstirring writing about the Texans over at the Chronic esp in the offseason, and any thoughtful comments you can add can help encourage more of that sort of thing.)
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So it's likely to see a Brown - F/A - Myers - Caldwell - Winston OL starting next year?

Better be a damn good free agent. I don't have much to say non-bombthrowing about Myers playing C so I guess this is where the post ends.
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How about this:

Brown - Caldwell - F/A - Myers - Winston

Myers played RG at Denver, iirc. Maybe he would be better as a G than a C.

I'm not sayin, I'm just asking.
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So it's likely to see a Brown - F/A - Myers - Caldwell - Winston OL starting next year?

Better be a damn good free agent. I don't have much to say non-bombthrowing about Myers playing C so I guess this is where the post ends.
I doubt that, personally. Briesel is disliked by a lot of fans, but the more knowledgeable talking heads around town think he's one of the best OL on the team. He's RFA so I can't imagine a scenario in which he won't be back with the team.
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I doubt that, personally. Briesel is disliked by a lot of fans, but the more knowledgeable talking heads around town think he's one of the best OL on the team. He's RFA so I can't imagine a scenario in which he won't be back with the team.
Brisiel is decent, but we can definitely do better. From the sounds of things, it doesn't sound like his injury rehab is going to well. It's possible he won't even be ready come TC. Plus, the fact he'd have to work himself back into shape before even attempting to come back by then.

Either way, we're in dire need of int Oline help. Especially if Pitts is done with the Texans.
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From the sounds of things, it doesn't sound like his injury rehab is going to well.
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Not that I don't believe you, I just hadn't heard that.
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Interesting??
The way I see it is Brown Studdard ------- Caldwell Winston. I think they would love to have a free agent guy come in and play center but who? You see we need to be in a win mode in 2010! Draft a young yes! But,get a exp strong domianting guy thats 30-32 and lets win . Justin Hartwig? The Steelers problems where not up the middle this year!
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How about this? Duane Brown, Logan Mankins, FA/Draft, FA/Draft, Winston with everyone else as a backup until they outperform a starter?
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Didn't the Pats have interior line problems?
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Not that I don't believe you, I just hadn't heard that.
McClain mentioned it on one of his queer little videos. Mentioned something about seeing him gimping around in a boot with screws still in place. Plus, a lisfranc injury as severe as the one Brisiel suffered can be career ending. Especially in an Olineman weighing over 300 lbs.

Take it with a grain of salt coming from McClain, but still doesn't look good.
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Texans nightmare fuel (enter at your own risk).

I'm not sure if any of this is particularly revolutionary, but it is attempt to wrap my head around the issues....in a fair way.

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How about this? Duane Brown, Logan Mankins, FA/Draft, FA/Draft, Winston with everyone else as a backup until they outperform a starter?

I'd love to have Logan Mankins but he's a RFA not UFA, he would cost us a 1st and 3rd round draft pick.
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Not that I don't believe you, I just hadn't heard that.
In his last Tuesday Chat, McClain said he was still limping around.

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So much for the non-bomb throwing posts. In a nut shell, the Texans O-line stinks. We've got OT's that are decent but not outstanding and an interior that needs to be replaced badly, all 3 of them. Pitts as an injured FA that is due for a pay raise should be gone, Brisiel is injured as well and even when healthy he should be a backup, Studdard isn't very good and should be a backup at most or should be gone. White should be gone, and Myers is tough, has lots of heart, smarts, technique, and calls a good blocking scheme but he lacks size and strength so he's not the total package, he should be a backup at best. I noted at this time last year that Myers was small and getting thrown around and some folks posted that with a good off-season weight lifting program Myers could add 10-20 lbs. of muscle. Obviously Myers doesn't agree because he's was the same size this year as last and still getting thrown around. The Texans need to stop being afraid or slow to make changes or being so faithful to veterans that suck. Just because your a veteran doesn't mean that your a good player. They also need to stop drafting high/mid round project players like Okoye, Molden, or Barwin when we could have had starter level OG/C instead who would have played every down.

Kubiak, feel the heat under your seat and make the changes or someone else will be making them for you.
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So much for the non-bomb throwing posts. In a nut shell, the Texans O-line stinks. We've got OT's that are decent but not outstanding and an interior that needs to be replaced badly, all 3 of them. Pitts as an injured FA that is due for a pay raise should be gone, Brisiel is injured as well and even when healthy he should be a backup, Studdard isn't very good and should be a backup at most or should be gone. White should be gone, and Myers is tough, has lots of heart, smarts, technique, and calls a good blocking scheme but he lacks size and strength so he's not the total package, he should be a backup at best. I noted at this time last year that Myers was small and getting thrown around and some folks posted that with a good off-season weight lifting program Myers could add 10-20 lbs. of muscle. Obviously Myers doesn't agree because he's was the same size this year as last and still getting thrown around. The Texans need to stop being afraid or slow to make changes or being so faithful to veterans that suck. Just because your a veteran doesn't mean that your a good player. They also need to stop drafting high/mid round project players like Okoye, Molden, or Barwin when we could have had starter level OG/C instead who would have played every down.

Kubiak, feel the heat under your seat and make the changes or someone else will be making them for you.

While I wouldn't be as harsh in my characterization, I do generally agree with you that the Texans need to be a little less loyal to some of these incumbents. Of course, it is rather likely that the "faithfulness" that players like Myers, Studdard, and Briesel have received was out of neccessity. In other words, perhaps there were so many freakin' holes to fill on this team that the Texans had little choice but to rely on some fringe players. I think the drafting of Caldwell is a sign that we can expect competition at those weaker spots from here on out. I just think it is hard to try an upgrade a servicable interior line when you have guys like D. Faggins, N. Ferguson, M.Greenwood, T. Bulman getting so many snaps on defense.

I'd like to add that I don't think the OLines stinks. While the running game was poor, that was certainly partly due to poor RB play. And, let's not overlook the fact that Matt Schaub dropped back to pass 600 times and was sacked only 25 times. That's pretty good. It's even better when you consider that Schaub had the sixth most prolific season ever in the NFL in terms of Passing Yards. And, it's not like the guy is elusive. Add to all of that that our 2 starting guards went on the IR in September... I think those guys should be congratulated!

But, after they've been given an award, some applause, etc... It's time to go get some talent so that those guys are competing just to make the roster next season, much less make the starting lineup!
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So much for the non-bomb throwing posts. In a nut shell, the Texans O-line stinks. We've got OT's that are decent but not outstanding and an interior that needs to be replaced badly, all 3 of them. Pitts as an injured FA that is due for a pay raise should be gone, Brisiel is injured as well and even when healthy he should be a backup, Studdard isn't very good and should be a backup at most or should be gone. White should be gone, and Myers is tough, has lots of heart, smarts, technique, and calls a good blocking scheme but he lacks size and strength so he's not the total package, he should be a backup at best. I noted at this time last year that Myers was small and getting thrown around and some folks posted that with a good off-season weight lifting program Myers could add 10-20 lbs. of muscle. Obviously Myers doesn't agree because he's was the same size this year as last and still getting thrown around. The Texans need to stop being afraid or slow to make changes or being so faithful to veterans that suck. Just because your a veteran doesn't mean that your a good player. They also need to stop drafting high/mid round project players like Okoye, Molden, or Barwin when we could have had starter level OG/C instead who would have played every down.

Kubiak, feel the heat under your seat and make the changes or someone else will be making them for you.
Bingo. Has been a problem, but Gary and Rick can't seem to keep the hand out of the cookie jar when it comes to developmental players early.

From what I remember Myers went into last off-season and did put on some weight. I don't remember it helping a whole lot except him losing some flexibility, perhaps that's why he suffered an early season ankle sprain?

Not good news on Brisiel. Not that I thought the guy was an all world starter but, he's better than White or Studdard.

Kubiak's going to have to bite the bullet and look for interior help early and possibly through FA as well.
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I'd love to have Logan Mankins but he's a RFA not UFA, he would cost us a 1st and 3rd round draft pick.
I believe that the draft picks are based on the tender offered to the player.

Have they given him a RFA Tender yet? I thought they couldn't do that for a while.....
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I believe that the draft picks are based on the tender offered to the player.

Have they given him a RFA Tender yet? I thought they couldn't do that for a while.....
There are four tender levels now and you can rest assured New England will highest tender Mankins. People need to just remove him from the dream list because that's all it is, a dream.
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Have they given him a RFA Tender yet? I thought they couldn't do that for a while.....

I don't remember where I read it but about a week ago I read that the Patriots plan to tender him for a 1st and 3rd, though I don't think they've actually done it yet. A 1st round all pro like Mankins, they'd be crazy not to tender him with a 1st and 3rd.
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Bingo. Has been a problem, but Gary and Rick can't seem to keep the hand out of the cookie jar when it comes to developmental players early.

From what I remember Myers went into last off-season and did put on some weight. I don't remember it helping a whole lot except him losing some flexibility, perhaps that's why he suffered an early season ankle sprain?

Not good news on Brisiel. Not that I thought the guy was an all world starter but, he's better than White or Studdard.

Kubiak's going to have to bite the bullet and look for interior help early and possibly through FA as well.

You know I don't understand Kubiak and Smith's fascination with trying to find the diamond in the rough with a small school player. Diamond hunters go through tons of rocks before finding a diamond and some hunt their whole life without finding one. Why not just take proven players that fill a need without so much risk.
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