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Old 01-19-2010   #1
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Default 2010 Draft: extra 5th or 6th?

Anybody know whether we received a 5th or 6th for Travis Johnson.

The rumor is that the conditional pick was based on games played. If so, it should be a 5th rounder. He played in 13 games and also in the playoff game. However, if it's tied to production, we're looking at a 6th. He had 16 tackles, only 2 for a loss, and 0 sacks.
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If I remember correctly, the 5th was due upon meeting minimal playing time requirements.

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Default Re: 2010 Draft: extra 5th or 6th?

Just assume it was a sixth because. . .well it's Travis Johnson.
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If I remember correctly, the 5th was due upon meeting minimal playing time requirements.

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Default Re: 2010 Draft: extra 5th or 6th?

Here's another question:

Do the compensatory picks get awarded for the same off-season, or do they lag a year?

In other words, let's say that Dunta and Pitts both get signed away in March for significant money... and we don't sign any bigtime FAs. If that happens, we'd be in line for 2 middle round compensatory draft picks. Would we get those in the 2010 draft or would it be for the 2011 draft?

Also, are there any relevant rule changes regarding compensatory picks under the adjusted 2010 no cap rules?
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Here's another question:

Do the compensatory picks get awarded for the same off-season, or do they lag a year?

In other words, let's say that Dunta and Pitts both get signed away in March for significant money... and we don't sign any bigtime FAs. If that happens, we'd be in line for 2 middle round compensatory draft picks. Would we get those in the 2010 draft or would it be for the 2011 draft?

Also, are there any relevant rule changes regarding compensatory picks under the adjusted 2010 no cap rules?
Going by last years rules the number of FA's you sign also has a direct impact on the compensatory draft picks you may or may not receive.
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Just assume it was a sixth because. . .well it's Travis Johnson.
There are no words to express how funny this is. Simply stunning, b0ng.
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Going by last years rules the number of FA's you sign also has a direct impact on the compensatory draft picks you may or may not receive.
Yes, but the question is: does that equation take place for the same year. Or, do our off-season gains and losses get factored in for compensatory picks the following year?
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Yes, but the question is: does that equation take place for the same year. Or, do our off-season gains and losses get factored in for compensatory picks the following year?
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Yes, but the question is: does that equation take place for the same year. Or, do our off-season gains and losses get factored in for compensatory picks the following year?
They lag a year. For instance Haynesworth leaving last off-season will be considered this off-season.
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Just assume it was a sixth because. . .well it's Travis Johnson.
Very funny

It's hard to believe CC and the losing factory gave up a 1st rd pick for this guy.

On second thought it isn't really that hard to believe.
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I'm not gonna say Rick Smith took AJ Smith to the cleaners on this trade, but getting anything out of Travis Johnson was a miracle in my eyes. I assumed he'd be cut and that'd be that. Getting a 5th for the guy feels like stealing.
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Yes, but the question is: does that equation take place for the same year. Or, do our off-season gains and losses get factored in for compensatory picks the following year?
They lag because they're dependent not only on what kind of contract that player signs, but how he performs with his new team.

For instance, if Pitts signs a mediocre contract with, say, Washington, and doesn't earn a starting spot on the team, we'd get a considerably worse pick (if one at all) than if he signs a mediocre contract with Washington and earns a pro-bowl selection.

In regards to the OP, I don't remember where I heard it, but I am under the impression that we are due a 5th if TJ played 1/3 of SD's plays.
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You know back when we drafted Travis Johnson, i wasnt that into the draft like i am now.....but do you remember if we was a first-round lock DT?

The only reason i ask this, is i thought the pick came out of left field? was he projected to go that high?
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You know back when we drafted Travis Johnson, i wasnt that into the draft like i am now.....but do you remember if we was a first-round lock DT?

The only reason i ask this, is i thought the pick came out of left field? was he projected to go that high?
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ANALYSIS: Rebounding off a poor junior campaign, Johnson got his game back on track last season and progressed off of what was a terrific sophomore year. The court case of .03 seemed to drag on him as a junior and was not as highly ranked as he should have been coming into the season. Stands to add bulk and strength to his frame yet a solid tackle for a conventional defense and a legitimate first round choice.

PROJECTION: Mid First Round
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You know back when we drafted Travis Johnson, i wasnt that into the draft like i am now.....but do you remember if we was a first-round lock DT?

The only reason i ask this, is i thought the pick came out of left field? was he projected to go that high?
I didn't really start following the draft like I do now until 2006. It was because of the whole #1 pick, Mario/Vince/Reggie/D'Brick/Trade Down debate that got me so interested in this process.

TJ was considered a 1st round pick by most so-called Draft Experts. He had a lot of potential (there's that word again) but there were questions about the intangibles and passion.

I really like Drew Boylhart's opinion on prospects... he's usually spot on.
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Travis Johnson - DT - Florida St.

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Travis has good size and speed for his position. He has good lateral pursuit and can handle the double team. He does well in run defense and looks to have enough talent to be a good pass rusher. Travis has the potential to be an NFL DT because of his size-speed ratio.

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Let’s start with the lack of intensity, strength to shed blockers, plays too high and in general, is completely overmatched by the good O-linemen at the college level strictly because he seems uninterested.

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If somebody tells you that this kid has 1st round talent because of his size-speed ratio, then you can believe they are mailing it in. This is exactly the type of kid that could make you lose your job. Travis has that word potential attached to him like a lead weight attached to a body that you throw into the river. The problem is, if you believe it, then you’re the body. In my opinion, you can’t show up a few times in four years to warrant a first day pick -- much less a first round pick. Travis does have talent, but it will not be enough to make him a player in the NFL. Right now, he lacks the intangibles to make it. He lacks the intensity and heart needed to be the best and to improve every year. A 2nd day pick is where I would personally rate him, but I bet you will get some coach who thinks that he is going to make a name for himself as some great talent evaluator and turn this kid around. This is the same coach that tells you what a ‘great young man’ a player is as the kid is going to court. Can Travis be a good player in the NFL? Absolutely, but that does not mean I would take him on the 1st day of this draft. Remember, for me it’s a business and the player has to play on the field all the time like it’s a job interview -- not just when he wants to or when the mood strikes him. We are talking millions of dollars here!
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I'm not gonna say Rick Smith took AJ Smith to the cleaners on this trade, but getting anything out of Travis Johnson was a miracle in my eyes. I assumed he'd be cut and that'd be that. Getting a 5th for the guy feels like stealing.
Brilliant! Smith could parlay Travis Johnson into a rookie kicker who can actually make clutch kicks.

Draft Hunter Lawrence with that pick.
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I just went back and looked at the Texans 2005 draft and I only have one question. How in the HELL did casserly EVER get a job doing ANYTHING in the NFL!?!?!?! WTF? That has to be the worst draft in NFL history.
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I didn't really start following the draft like I do now until 2006. It was because of the whole #1 pick, Mario/Vince/Reggie/D'Brick/Trade Down debate that got me so interested in this process.

TJ was considered a 1st round pick by most so-called Draft Experts. He had a lot of potential (there's that word again) but there were questions about the intangibles and passion.

I really like Drew Boylhart's opinion on prospects... he's usually spot on.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/...visJohnson.htm
Great find! Man that guy hit the nail on the head didnt he?
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