Wolf6151 January 2010 mock.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by badboy

Iupati is rated a bit ahead of Asamoah. How do you rate the two? On my board, I have Texans taking Asamoah in 2nd as I really like his speed 5.08 at his size 6'4" 315. He also is experienced in a ZBS. Both should be long fixtures on the line but I do have a concern about Iupati going 16 games at his weight.

Iupati looks lean , he has a big lower body . He moves well and one thing about playing against smaller schools , sometimes you go against smaller , quicker DL , and he had no problems . It all depends on him being physical and and a little nasty in the trenches .

In the words of Jimmy Johnson , You can't be great if you don't take some risk in the draft . Iupati ... IMO ... has a much higher ceiling than most players . Of course he may never reach that ceiling but it's high .

Jimmy's quote was about this player .

http://www.nfl.com/players/darylgard...e?id=GAR133203

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

They didn't draft a RB last year because they had Slaton had a really good year and one could only expect him to get better .

They need to get themselves in a position like Dallas who took Jones in the 1st and Choice in the 4th . They had Barber but had the luxury of taking a good player because he's good and not for need . I'll bet that Barber's gone next year ... why ... he's on the downside and takes carries away from the other two .

Last year the Texans took OLB ( need ) , pass rusher ( need ) C/G ( big need ) , Blocking TE ( need ) , CB ( need ) . Where would you like them to draft a RB and how much better is a 5th rd. RB gonna be over Foster or Johnson ?

but I disagree in several ways. First, Kubiac has said he wanted Glen Coffee Rb but he was gone. Slaton was not to be "the guy" but bascially a 3rd down back. Folks have been saying for 2 years that Barber will be gone, bound to go sooner or later I guess.

Cushing turned into a great pick, I wanted Jenkins CB who went #14.
2nd Barwin good pick but plays sparsely. Shonne Green RB 5'11" 227
3rd Caldwell can't beat out starter at center or RG or backup Studdard. Andre Brown RB 6' 224
4th 2nd pick Anthony Hill not quite the blocker he was thought to be but will develop. Andre Brown was still on the board. My favorite was Gartrell Johnson 5'10" 219 and taken by Chargers 12 picks later in 4th.
I would have taken Rashad Jennings before Troy Nolan SS in 7th. Jags got him in 7th.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by JB

This is not surprising as Auburn did not play Iowa this year.

Haha, good catch. I was thinking of a mock I am working on, got school names mixed up.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by badboy

but I disagree in several ways. First, Kubiac has said he wanted Glen Coffee Rb but he was gone. Slaton was not to be "the guy" but bascially a 3rd down back. Folks have been saying for 2 years that Barber will be gone, bound to go sooner or later I guess.

Cushing turned into a great pick, I wanted Jenkins CB who went #14.
2nd Barwin good pick but plays sparsely. Shonne Green RB 5'11" 227
3rd Caldwell can't beat out starter at center or RG or backup Studdard. Andre Brown RB 6' 224
4th 2nd pick Anthony Hill not quite the blocker he was thought to be but will develop. Andre Brown was still on the board. My favorite was Gartrell Johnson 5'10" 219 and taken by Chargers 12 picks later in 4th.
I would have taken Rashad Jennings before Troy Nolan SS in 7th. Jags got him in 7th.

I think their idea of a RB gets in the way sometimes . I still think Barwin will be a really good player and Greene's running behind what maybe the best run blocking OL in the business , that doesn't translate to us so well .

I agree Hill and Nolan are the cavities in last year drafts smile . I think I'll see how some of these other RBs did .

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...SC&startspot=0

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

I think their idea of a RB gets in the way sometimes . I still think Barwin will be a really good player and Greene's running behind what maybe the best run blocking OL in the business , that doesn't translate to us so well .

I agree Hill and Nolan are the cavities in last year drafts smile . I think I'll see how some of these other RBs did .

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...SC&startspot=0

I agree that Greene does well behind the line but in our ZBS he'd have been very good and make the fake hand off by Schaub work even better. Don't get me wrong, I like our draft and Hill should be good. I think Nolan backs up Pollard this year and Barber may be gone.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by badboy

I agree that Greene does well behind the line but in our ZBS he'd have been very good and make the fake hand off by Schaub work even better. Don't get me wrong, I like our draft and Hill should be good. I think Nolan backs up Pollard this year and Barber may be gone.

Is Barber due a contract? If so then yeah he's probably gone unless he's cheap, but he seemed like a decent backup. Is Eugene Wilson coming back?

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by badboy

and Barber may be gone.

They were starting Barber before he went down and there was a big drop off to Busing. Barber has a cheap contract for the next two years. I'd expect him to make the team as swing depth.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by b0ng

Is Barber due a contract? If so then yeah he's probably gone unless he's cheap, but he seemed like a decent backup. Is Eugene Wilson coming back?

Barber is under contract but not guaranteed and cap not going to be a factor so I'd dump him. Wilson's toes should be healed before season. I am more concerned about Slaton's shoulder.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

They were starting Barber before he went down and there was a big drop off to Busing. Barber has a cheap contract for the next two years. I'd expect him to make the team as swing depth.

Correct & I am no fan of Busing. Barber seems so inconsistent o me. Reminds me of JJ in that occasionally he gets an INT or makes a good play but otherwise I wonder where he is. I am drafting a FS in 4th to back up or replace Wilson unless Thomas shocks the MB and falls to us in first.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by badboy

Barber is under contract but not guaranteed and cap not going to be a factor so I'd dump him. Wilson's toes should be healed before season. I am more concerned about Slaton's shoulder.

So why dump him? If I'm correct depth chart would dictate Wilson -> Barber -> Busing, why would we be getting rid of Barber right now (since you are advocating getting rid of him before seeing FA moves)? If the guy wasn't even activated for enough games (10 I believe) then he could even go back to the P. Squad.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by b0ng

So why dump him? If I'm correct depth chart would dictate Wilson -> Barber -> Busing, why would we be getting rid of Barber right now (since you are advocating getting rid of him before seeing FA moves)? If the guy wasn't even activated for enough games (10 I believe) then he could even go back to the P. Squad.

Never said to dump him now just when we have better and that would be my draft pick. Either Owusu-Ansah, CHad Jones or Robert Johnson in 4th. Don't forget that Glover Quin was rated as the 7th best Free Safety when he came out.

[Wolf6151]

I actually have 2 mock drafts right now but only posted the one. The other one only changes the first 3 players selected and I can't really decide which one I like better. Try this:

1. Earl Thomas-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG or Jon Asamoah-OG
3. Lamarr Houston-DT
4. Ben Tate-RB
5. J.D. Walton-C
6. Crezdon Butler-CB
6. Larry Asante-SS
7. Zoltan Mesko-P

Which one is better the first one posted or this one?

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

I actually have 2 mock drafts right now but only posted the one. The other one only changes the first 3 players selected and I can't really decide which one I like better. Try this:

1. Earl Thomas-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG or Jon Asamoah-OG
3. Lamarr Houston-DT
4. Ben Tate-RB
5. J.D. Walton-C
6. Crezdon Butler-CB
6. Larry Asante-SS
7. Zoltan Mesko-P

Which one is better the first one posted or this one?

Earl Thomas would answer many fans prayers. kinda high for both Johnson or Asamoah. Lamarr about right but is DT this big of need? Ben Tate is solid as is Walton but can't see him lasting to the 5th. Butler/Asante would have a tough time making roster & drafting a punter?

how about this -

1. C.J. Spiller, RB Clemson - running/receivng/special teams weapon to keep the dogs off Schaub & spread defenses out
2. Maurkice Pouncey, C Florida - elite center prospect who can start as a rookie, solidify interior line & create holes for Spiller
3. Walter McFadden, CB Auburn - SEC cover corner use to single coverage assisngments, also good technician & run support
4. Thomas Autstin, OG Clemson - have to bring in one of CJ's guys to open holes, might be a little late if not no problem moving Edds up
5. A.J. Edds, OLB Iowa - excellent length/range in coverage, can lock down a TE, personel favorite who compliments current roster
6. Walter Thurmand, CB Oregon - coming off acl nicely, 2nd rd. talent makes plays on the ball & has return expereince
6. Ekom Udofia , DT Stanford - developmental nose tackle, smart & productive, has frame to beef up even more if needed
7. Joique Bell, RB Wayne (Mich.) State - late round, coveted power back, address this need late no sense in spending a 1st day pick here

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

I actually have 2 mock drafts right now but only posted the one. The other one only changes the first 3 players selected and I can't really decide which one I like better. Try this:

1. Earl Thomas-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG or Jon Asamoah-OG
3. Lamarr Houston-DT
4. Ben Tate-RB
5. J.D. Walton-C
6. Crezdon Butler-CB
6. Larry Asante-SS
7. Zoltan Mesko-P

Which one is better the first one posted or this one?

The first draft has more bang for the buck according to these guys .

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...0?&start_row=1

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by badboy

Never said to dump him now just when we have better and that would be my draft pick. Either Owusu-Ansah, CHad Jones or Robert Johnson in 4th. Don't forget that Glover Quin was rated as the 7th best Free Safety when he came out.

I'm really intruiged by "Born on Sunday" Owusu-Ansah. Big, athletic small school guy with tons of potential. I like him in the 4th.

[Wolf6151]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Earl Thomas would answer many fans prayers. kinda high for both Johnson or Asamoah. Lamarr about right but is DT this big of need? Ben Tate is solid as is Walton but can't see him lasting to the 5th. Butler/Asante would have a tough time making roster & drafting a punter?

how about this -

1. C.J. Spiller, RB Clemson - running/receivng/special teams weapon to keep the dogs off Schaub & spread defenses out
2. Maurkice Pouncey, C Florida - elite center prospect who can start as a rookie, solidify interior line & create holes for Spiller
3. Walter McFadden, CB Auburn - SEC cover corner use to single coverage assisngments, also good technician & run support
4. Thomas Autstin, OG Clemson - have to bring in one of CJ's guys to open holes, might be a little late if not no problem moving Edds up
5. A.J. Edds, OLB Iowa - excellent length/range in coverage, can lock down a TE, personel favorite who compliments current roster
6. Walter Thurmand, CB Oregon - coming off acl nicely, 2nd rd. talent makes plays on the ball & has return expereince
6. Ekom Udofia , DT Stanford - developmental nose tackle, smart & productive, has frame to beef up even more if needed
7. Joique Bell, RB Wayne (Mich.) State - late round, coveted power back, address this need late no sense in spending a 1st day pick here

I like Spiller but I'm just not sure if I want a RB in the 1st round since they have such short careers and someone his size could get banged up easily, maybe Dwyer instead? One benifit of the bigger RB's is that they can usually take the pounding a little better than smaller ones. Pouncey in the 2nd would be great, I love that pick. I'm not familiar with McFadden but I just looked him up and Walterfootball.com has him listed as a 7th-FA player, I'd rather have Kyle Wilson in the 3rd. Austin in the 4th would be another good pick, he can play C as well, not sure if he'll still be available though. I'm not familiar with Edds and I don't see LB as a need this year. I thought about Thurmond in the 6th for my mock as well but Butler has alot more speed and everything else is coachable except speed. Speed also helps you compensate for mistakes in coverage. I also watched some of the YouTube videos of Thurmond and I was unimpressed. I don't know anything about Udofia or Bell but in the 6th and 7th what have we got to lose. I picked Mesko just because Turk is old and nearing retirement and by picking him we wouldn't be wasting our 7th round pick on someone who stands little to no chance of making the team.

[Wolf6151]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

The first draft has more bang for the buck according to these guys .

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...0?&start_row=1

Yeah, the 2nd mock gives us a better FS and better OG but a worse DT and DT isn't a huge need this year. Dan Williams would be hard to turn down if available in the 1st though.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

Yeah, the 2nd mock gives us a better FS and better OG but a worse DT and DT isn't a huge need this year. Dan Williams would be hard to turn down if available in the 1st though.

A 330 lb DT who can play is worth way more than most positions . Not that it makes a difference but the Vols have produced some elite big guys . Having said that , if Williams has good workouts , he'll be gone .

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

I like Spiller but I'm just not sure if I want a RB in the 1st round since they have such short careers and someone his size could get banged up easily, maybe Dwyer instead? One benifit of the bigger RB's is that they can usually take the pounding a little better than smaller ones. Pouncey in the 2nd would be great, I love that pick. I'm not familiar with McFadden but I just looked him up and Walterfootball.com has him listed as a 7th-FA player, I'd rather have Kyle Wilson in the 3rd. Austin in the 4th would be another good pick, he can play C as well, not sure if he'll still be available though. I'm not familiar with Edds and I don't see LB as a need this year. I thought about Thurmond in the 6th for my mock as well but Butler has alot more speed and everything else is coachable except speed. Speed also helps you compensate for mistakes in coverage. I also watched some of the YouTube videos of Thurmond and I was unimpressed. I don't know anything about Udofia or Bell but in the 6th and 7th what have we got to lose. I picked Mesko just because Turk is old and nearing retirement and by picking him we wouldn't be wasting our 7th round pick on someone who stands little to no chance of making the team.

think I forgot to switch McFadden with Austin then wanted to move Edds up after which take him. my bad.

overall I like players on both mocks, yes we've been discussing Kyle Wilson too, would be heck of 3rd rd. pick

it would not surprise me if the Texans took a DT in first, OG in second & CB in third, knocking out needs in order with bpa who fit scheme. I'm just having a real hard time passing on another elite RB when the opportunity presents itself

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by beerlover

think I forgot to switch McFadden with Austin then wanted to move Edds up after which take him. my bad.

overall I like players on both mocks, yes we've been discussing Kyle Wilson too, would be heck of 3rd rd. pick

it would not surprise me if the Texans took a DT in first, OG in second & CB in third, knocking out needs in order with bpa who fit scheme. I'm just having a real hard time passing on another elite RB when the opportunity presents itself

I think that Suh and Williams will be gone . The question then is , will they pick Cody .

Here's a little trench observation .

The all pro team's offensive line , ten players in total ( 1st and 2nd team ) consist of six first round picks , two second round picks , one fourth round pick , and one undrafted free agent .

The All Pro defensive , eight players total , line has four first round picks , one third , one fourth , one fifth , and one seventh . The first rounders are two DT's and two DE's . I think the one thing you can't measure for a player on the DL is his motor . The road is littered with big , athletic guys , who get out of shape and don't pan out . How a big DT plays and how a QB reacts to the speed of the game are really hard to predict .