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Old 01-13-2010   #1
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Default A reminder of why Kris Brown deserves our gratitude

It can be validly argued that we are not in the playoffs because of Kris Brown.

The dumbfounding reality that good kickers can instantly go bad emerges every year in the NFL. This year, the shanking-plague spread more rapidly through the league than staphylococcus in a Cleveland locker room, but no kicker contracted a more acute infection than Brown.

But because Brown's sudden unreliability was so severe, it caused a lot of fans to react as if the guy was the Ryan Leaf of field goal kickers. People who should've known better were posting things like, "A loser is a loser, run him out of town!" Short memories seem to also be contagious.

It is true that Brown should probably hang up the cleats this year, but here's an article that will help remind you of what the guy has done for this team, and how important he is in Texans history:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/5959242.html

After Kris is gone, this is the kind of player I'm going to remember:

"In a 22-19 victory against the Dolphins last Oct. 7, Brown showed the Texans just how much football player lurks inside that No. 3 jersey. Brown became the third kicker in NFL history to make three field goals of 50 yards or longer in the same game, and that wasn’t the half of it. He injured the heel of his left foot during the Texans’ first kickoff and needed a pain-killing injection at halftime... After all that, Brown made a 57-yarder as time expired."
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Default Re: A reminder of why Kris Brown deserves our gratitude

Kris just needs to earn his job back next year.
Come into camp, against legit competition, and show the team and fans that he can regain the form and consistency he had when he was kicking 50+ yarders with regularity. If he gets his swagger back he stays. If he doesn't, "so long and thanks for all the kicks".
...well, at least all the game winners.
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Its a what have you done for me lately league - Brown was pathetic this season. If Brown isnt held accountable how can Kubiak retain the respect of the team ... They absolutely must bring in some serious competition for the kicker spot - If Brown wins the job thats fine but they cant go into camp without a real fight for the roster spot.
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Default Re: A reminder of why Kris Brown deserves our gratitude

I don't get why some people have such a hangup about calling a duck a duck. KB kicks like a duck, shits like a duck and when he tries to blame himself like Kubiak does all I hear is "Quack Quack QUUuuaaaack!!!"

Did Kris Brown put on an atrocious display of kicking this past season?
Quack
Did he miss every single field goal in every single pressure situation?
Quack
Did these misses likely keep the Texans from a better record than 9-7?
Quack
Would 1 or 3 more win(s) have us in the playoffs?
Quack
So it's safe to assume KB played a large role in blocking the team from a post season berth?
Quack but here's the deal. On one hand you see the team and it's failures and say, "Oh it's not just KB's fault, the team shouldn't put him in that position." On the other hand you have to look at game deciding kicks in a vaccuum. Nothing else matters when they start lining up for the kick, all that matters is that the guy who is paid solely and exclusively on his ability to make kicks does his job. Kickers are over praised/over criticized just like QBs are because their job is more decisive than the rest of the team but he missed all the big kicks. All of them. There isn't middle ground here and if there was KB couldn't kick a ball through it.

Oh and he missed an extra point. QUACK. That's a guy who is really, really, I mean truly struggling with his confidence. People on quack don't have the jitters that bad. But that's the guy you just want to thank because of all the kicks he made when they were not making any playoff noise?
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Default Re: A reminder of why Kris Brown deserves our gratitude

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but if I had the chance to get rid of someone that's about to cost me my job, that sucker is going bye-bye. And I don't care what the history is.
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Default Re: A reminder of why Kris Brown deserves our gratitude

The thing is we lost not only one but two games that could have been wins for us because of him. Now I now what he means to the organization and all but when the shit hits the fan bud you gotta go...
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It can be validly argued that we are not in the playoffs because of Kris Brown.

The dumbfounding reality that good kickers can instantly go bad emerges every year in the NFL. This year, the shanking-plague spread more rapidly through the league than staphylococcus in a Cleveland locker room, but no kicker contracted a more acute infection than Brown.

But because Brown's sudden unreliability was so severe, it caused a lot of fans to react as if the guy was the Ryan Leaf of field goal kickers. People who should've known better were posting things like, "A loser is a loser, run him out of town!" Short memories seem to also be contagious.

It is true that Brown should probably hang up the cleats this year, but here's an article that will help remind you of what the guy has done for this team, and how important he is in Texans history:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/5959242.html

After Kris is gone, this is the kind of player I'm going to remember:

"In a 22-19 victory against the Dolphins last Oct. 7, Brown showed the Texans just how much football player lurks inside that No. 3 jersey. Brown became the third kicker in NFL history to make three field goals of 50 yards or longer in the same game, and that wasn’t the half of it. He injured the heel of his left foot during the Texans’ first kickoff and needed a pain-killing injection at halftime... After all that, Brown made a 57-yarder as time expired."
One great game doesn't excuse a completely crappy season. The truth about Kris Brown is that he's mixed about three nice seasons into a totally mediocre career. Unfortunately, we thought it was wise to lock him up for multiple years right before he got the yips. We're probably stuck with him now.
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Default Re: A reminder of why Kris Brown deserves our gratitude

In the past he's been good. After last year, even if he wins his job back, I will be nervous everytime he lines up to kick. I might have to follow Kubiak and turn my back and not watch.
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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but if I had the chance to get rid of someone that's about to cost me my job, that sucker is going bye-bye. And I don't care what the history is.
I agree and I'm not sure why people are attached to Kris Brown. He wasn't that good when he got here. He hasn't been that great overall. He had maybe 2-3 good years and they were still alright.

Kickers are a dime a dozen if you can get one with some confidence. There are truly only a few studs. Look at the Cowboys. They cut a Pro-Bowler and picked up another cut guy who has been perfect, I believe, so far, in a playoff run. Folk was costing them games or chances to win games. I never realized how interchangeable they were until the Cowboys in the 90s. They had a stud kicking coach, Steve Hoffman..now with the Chiefs. It seemed like they brought in a cheap FA every couple of years, coached him up, and he would be a stud. When they got the yips...bye, bye.

Here is what Hoffman did:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coach/steve_hoffman/

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During his tenure in Dallas, Hoffman successfully tutored a number of rookie or first-year specialists, including P John Jett (’93), K Chris Boniol (’94), K Richie Cunningham (’97) and P Toby Gowin (’97). In total, Hoffman’s specialists established 15 separate club records during his tenure in Dallas.
Again, this is just one example of one guy and one team. Sorry for some of you that I used the Cowboys. Just comes to mind. Teams routinely bring in new guys to compete and to make themselves better. This Kris Brown love just reeks of a misplaced loyalty they have. It really makes no sense. It isn't like he is Adam Vinatieri. And even he went to another team.
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The reason Kris Brown was lambasted is because THIS was OUR year to make it to the playoffs and there were so many games that came down to his ability to make kicks that he didn't make, he didn't step up his A-game like Matt Schaub, Andre Johnson, etc did.

Yes, Kris Brown has helped us win our first game against the Colts but when we needed him to step up...he didn't!
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In the past he's been good.
Decent NFL kickers consistently kick in the low-to-mid 80s percentile. Good NFL kickers consistently kick in the mid-to-high 80s percentile. Kickers will have a season here or there that is an outlier, either in the 90s or in the 70s, maybe even low 70s. Here's a reminder of Kris Brown in seasons past:

2002: 70.8%
2003: 81.8%
2004: 70.8%
2005: 76.5%
2006: 76.0%
2007: 86.2%
2008: 87.9%
2009: 65.6%

This year was not an aberration; the last two years were. Kris Brown has a career average of 77.3%, which is bottom 25% of NFL kickers, and six of the past nine seasons, he hasn't even achieved that lowly percentage.
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Decent NFL kickers consistently kick in the low-to-mid 80s percentile. Good NFL kickers consistently kick in the mid-to-high 80s percentile. Kickers will have a season here or there that is an outlier, either in the 90s or in the 70s, maybe even low 70s. Here's a reminder of Kris Brown in seasons past:

2002: 70.8%
2003: 81.8%
2004: 70.8%
2005: 76.5%
2006: 76.0%
2007: 86.2%
2008: 87.9%
2009: 65.6%

This year was not an aberration; the last two years were. Kris Brown has a career average of 77.3%, which is bottom 25% of NFL kickers, and six of the past nine seasons, he hasn't even achieved that lowly percentage.
Exactly...we shoulda drafted Mason Crosby when we had the chance.
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It can be validly argued that we are not in the playoffs because of Kris Brown.

The dumbfounding reality that good kickers can instantly go bad emerges every year in the NFL. This year, the shanking-plague spread more rapidly through the league than staphylococcus in a Cleveland locker room, but no kicker contracted a more acute infection than Brown.

But because Brown's sudden unreliability was so severe, it caused a lot of fans to react as if the guy was the Ryan Leaf of field goal kickers. People who should've known better were posting things like, "A loser is a loser, run him out of town!" Short memories seem to also be contagious.

It is true that Brown should probably hang up the cleats this year, but here's an article that will help remind you of what the guy has done for this team, and how important he is in Texans history:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/5959242.html

After Kris is gone, this is the kind of player I'm going to remember:

"In a 22-19 victory against the Dolphins last Oct. 7, Brown showed the Texans just how much football player lurks inside that No. 3 jersey. Brown became the third kicker in NFL history to make three field goals of 50 yards or longer in the same game, and that wasn’t the half of it. He injured the heel of his left foot during the Texans’ first kickoff and needed a pain-killing injection at halftime... After all that, Brown made a 57-yarder as time expired."
No sir.

Brown did this with the Steelers. Was fine when the team was not contending for anything, but when the pressure is on, he sucks. That's why Bill Cowher kicked him out. I really can't believe Brown is still on the roster. Most teams kick their kickers out after what he did. Look at Sean Payton and (gasp) Wade Philips. Good coaches. Kubiak was too loyal to go find a new kicker this season...and it cost us.
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Its a what have you done for me lately league - Brown was pathetic this season. If Brown isnt held accountable how can Kubiak retain the respect of the team ... They absolutely must bring in some serious competition for the kicker spot - If Brown wins the job thats fine but they cant go into camp without a real fight for the roster spot.
Yep, if he wins the spot again, fine. There HAS to be competition for the position after this past year though.
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Its a what have you done for me lately league - Brown was pathetic this season. If Brown isnt held accountable how can Kubiak retain the respect of the team ... They absolutely must bring in some serious competition for the kicker spot - If Brown wins the job thats fine but they cant go into camp without a real fight for the roster spot.
This.

If they go with the status quo and do not seriously challenge this guy, it is a microcosm of the Kubiak regime as a whole body of work, IMO. You do not reward longevity in this league, you reward positive results.

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Yes, Kris Brown has helped us win our first game against the Colts but when we needed him to step up...he didn't!
yep. Just like Ron Dayne, and I don't see anyone making a thread why he deserves our gratitude. The one and only time we beat the Colts was on the backs of Dayne and Brown, and even HWSNBN made a couple of plays when it mattered.

But that is ancient history as far as the 2010 season is concerned.
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As long as he stops costing us more games than he wins us, I'll remember him fondly.

If he's still a Texan next year, he'd better be better. That's all.
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Dude you remind me of a Saint fan but you do not hear me ranting and raving about that now do you.


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I don't get why some people have such a hangup about calling a duck a duck. KB kicks like a duck, shits like a duck and when he tries to blame himself like Kubiak does all I hear is "Quack Quack QUUuuaaaack!!!"

Did Kris Brown put on an atrocious display of kicking this past season?
Quack
Did he miss every single field goal in every single pressure situation?
Quack
Did these misses likely keep the Texans from a better record than 9-7?
Quack
Would 1 or 3 more win(s) have us in the playoffs?
Quack
So it's safe to assume KB played a large role in blocking the team from a post season berth?
Quack but here's the deal. On one hand you see the team and it's failures and say, "Oh it's not just KB's fault, the team shouldn't put him in that position." On the other hand you have to look at game deciding kicks in a vaccuum. Nothing else matters when they start lining up for the kick, all that matters is that the guy who is paid solely and exclusively on his ability to make kicks does his job. Kickers are over praised/over criticized just like QBs are because their job is more decisive than the rest of the team but he missed all the big kicks. All of them. There isn't middle ground here and if there was KB couldn't kick a ball through it.

Oh and he missed an extra point. QUACK. That's a guy who is really, really, I mean truly struggling with his confidence. People on quack don't have the jitters that bad. But that's the guy you just want to thank because of all the kicks he made when they were not making any playoff noise?
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This year was not an aberration; the last two years were. Kris Brown has a career average of 77.3%, which is bottom 25% of NFL kickers, and six of the past nine seasons, he hasn't even achieved that lowly percentage.
Not saying we shouldn't look at kickers, but how is two years at 10% above your average an aberration while one year at 12% below it is not??
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Does anyone know if Kris Brown has stock in Reliant or The Texans?
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Not saying we shouldn't look at kickers, but how is two years at 10% above your average an aberration while one year at 12% below it is not??
Well, 65% might be an aberration even by Kris Brown standards, but the point stands - three years out of nine with a decent average does not justify the general perception that Kris Brown was a good kicker. For his career, he's been a bad kicker, and he has a quite lengthy track record to which one can refer. This year was bad, which Kris Brown has been more often than not, which is why I did not refer to this year as an aberration. You can qualify that if you want, I suppose, but it doesn't change the central premise.
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