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Old 01-12-2010   #41
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Hope your right, but I have watched enough of Spiller during his career to think otherwise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxkNT9IxEu8

also should bring up the more obvious comparison & that is Chris Johnson of Tennessee. Both are yards from scrimmage guys, true but isn't it smart to incorporate as many options/weapons to an offensive scheme to make it dynamic? I scouted Chris Johnson, watched several East Carolina games & was impressed not only with his speed but ability to run between the tackles, yes between the tackles he attacked the line of scrimmage, then once breaking though initial point of contact blew out the hole like a shot. The Texans did not have a 2nd so I was trying to work him into mocks via trading down, Texans did trade down, to #26 while Heimerdinger convinced Fisher to take Chris Johnson #24. Spiller selected @ #20 is not a reach & would be the playmaker to balance the load with Andre Johnson not to mention add much needed infusion of talent & depth to staple of RB's.

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"I believe he is a much better receiver than what they thought," Faulk said. "I was at the [scouting] combine when he was there and I didn't see his ability to catch the ball to be as much [of] an asset as it is for him right now. There is endless potential."

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I'm just getting started in this season's draft talk so don't rag on me too hard.

What do y'all think about getting Dwyer, RB from GT in the mid-rounds?
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I'm just getting started in this season's draft talk so don't rag on me too hard.

What do y'all think about getting Dwyer, RB from GT in the mid-rounds?
Dwyer is a favorite power back prospect for many, he is still weighing his options if he wants to come out early or not. I don't see him as a 1st rd. back. 2nd rd. is about right, reminds me of Marion Barber, runs aggressive, in ZBS I think he could be a one cut downhill runner & complement a runner like Spiller/Slaton as did James Davis @ Clemson.

Looking at this mock, the Texans could trade down as there should be much interest in Spiller, take OG Iupati, draft Pouncey the stud Florida Center who is coming out early in 2nd & add Dwyer with extra pick (assuming the team who moves up offers a 2nd in return). A first day haul of OG Iupati, C Pouncey & RB Dwyer would be epic, transforming the Texans interior OL & running game in one fell swoop, but thats wishfull thinking, I'm trying to keep things real
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I could live without the Spiller pick. I think a safety, CB, or OL should be the pick.

According to your mock we passed on the following.

Bruce Campbell, OT Maryland - Kubiak may wish to slide Winston to guard, and start Campbell at RT giving us the potential of one hell of a line.

Mike Iupati, OG Utah - If ready slide Caldwell into center and Iupati can pair with Brisel for our guards.

Taylor Mays, DB USC or Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan - Depending how Dunta works out, corner or safety has been a top 2 need for years.

I just feel that the front office is going to be fine with Steve Slaton, Arian Foster, and maybe a Joe McNight, Toby Herhart, Ryan Mathews, Montario Hardesty, or Charles Scott in the 4th round.


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Dwyer is a favorite power back prospect for many, he is still weighing his options if he wants to come out early or not. I don't see him as a 1st rd. back. 2nd rd. is about right, reminds me of Marion Barber, runs aggressive, in ZBS I think he could be a one cut downhill runner & complement a runner like Spiller/Slaton as did James Davis @ Clemson.

Looking at this mock, the Texans could trade down as there should be much interest in Spiller, take OG Iupati, draft Pouncey the stud Florida Center who is coming out early in 2nd & add Dwyer with extra pick (assuming the team who moves up offers a 2nd in return). A first day haul of OG Iupati, C Pouncey & RB Dwyer would be epic, transforming the Texans interior OL & running game in one fell swoop, but thats wishfull thinking, I'm trying to keep things real
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Dwyer took over as the Yellow Jackets' starter after Tashard Choice graduated in 2008. The ACC Player of the Year as a sophomore, Dwyer's YPC average fell from 7.0 to 5.9 in 2009, but he improved his touchdown total from 13 to 14 and ran for 1,395 yards. The 20-year-old isn't a pass catcher, but at 6'0/235 has a Beanie Wells-like power back skill set. He'll be joined in the pros by Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan, who led the ACC with 12.5 sacks.
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Dwyer is a favorite power back prospect for many, he is still weighing his options if he wants to come out early or not. I don't see him as a 1st rd. back. 2nd rd. is about right, reminds me of Marion Barber, runs aggressive, in ZBS I think he could be a one cut downhill runner & complement a runner like Spiller/Slaton as did James Davis @ Clemson.

Looking at this mock, the Texans could trade down as there should be much interest in Spiller, take OG Iupati, draft Pouncey the stud Florida Center who is coming out early in 2nd & add Dwyer with extra pick (assuming the team who moves up offers a 2nd in return). A first day haul of OG Iupati, C Pouncey & RB Dwyer would be epic, transforming the Texans interior OL & running game in one fell swoop, but thats wishfull thinking, I'm trying to keep things real
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If we could get Dwyer or Morgan Burnett in round 2 at our selection, I would be giddy.
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also should bring up the more obvious comparison & that is Chris Johnson of Tennessee. Both are yards from scrimmage guys, true but isn't it smart to incorporate as many options/weapons to an offensive scheme to make it dynamic? I scouted Chris Johnson, watched several East Carolina games & was impressed not only with his speed but ability to run between the tackles, yes between the tackles he attacked the line of scrimmage, then once breaking though initial point of contact blew out the hole like a shot. The Texans did not have a 2nd so I was trying to work him into mocks via trading down, Texans did trade down, to #26 while Heimerdinger convinced Fisher to take Chris Johnson #24. Spiller selected @ #20 is not a reach & would be the playmaker to balance the load with Andre Johnson not to mention add much needed infusion of talent & depth to staple of RB's.
Here's a Reggie Bush USC highlight video. It's alot of the same stuff you see in the CJ Spiller video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YcbWSoSBsM

Spiller probably played against better competition. Another thing I am not sold on about Spiller, outside of what I see as limited leg power, is pass protection. It's inconsistent at best.

Here is a highlight/lowlight video of Spiller. Start at about 2:20.
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I don't like comparing Reggie Bush to CJ Spiller it automatically casts a negative impression for reasons unrelated to C.J. Spillers indiviaual accomplishments & future as a prime time player in the NFL.

This hating on a divisional foe is not a first (Clemson plays in the ACC Atlantic with FSU) same thing with YoungTexan despising Big 12 North rival Missouri because of his beloved Kansas. It's understandable to a point but when it taint's your personel evals it makes your opinions less valued.
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I haven't seen alot of Spiller but it doesn't appear that he hits the hole as hards as Johnson does. Instead he tries to break things outside.

That doesn't work in the NFL.

I could be wrong. BL obviously you've seen more of him than I have,what do you think?
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I haven't seen alot of Spiller but it doesn't appear that he hits the hole as hards as Johnson does. Instead he tries to break things outside.

That doesn't work in the NFL.

I could be wrong. BL obviously you've seen more of him than I have,what do you think?
ACC > Conference USA advantage Spiller

Johnson rushed for 1,200 yards, 496 in receiving yards & 856 yards returning. He scored 22 TDs in his senior year.

Spiller rushed for 1,212 yards, 503 in receiving yards & 965 yards returning. He scored 16 TD's & threw for another his senior year.

seem pretty =

advantage Chris Johnson breaking the all time NFL record for yards from scrimmage.

both 5-11 195.

Will never be a lower the shoulder, fight for tough yards runner. However his performance throughout the season silenced a lot of doubts about his ability to withstand a pounding, run between the tackles and pass block. A complete back? maybe not but would be coveted 1st rd. impact player Texans could use in running game.
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Thanks for the info.

Other than ST's how much different is Spiller than Slaton was his rookie year?
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I don't like comparing Reggie Bush to CJ Spiller it automatically casts a negative impression for reasons unrelated to C.J. Spillers indiviaual accomplishments & future as a prime time player in the NFL.

This hating on a divisional foe is not a first (Clemson plays in the ACC Atlantic with FSU) same thing with YoungTexan despising Big 12 North rival Missouri because of his beloved Kansas. It's understandable to a point but when it taint's your personel evals it makes your opinions less valued.
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I've never been one to hate on a player for where he plays. Perhaps you don't remember last year when I was talking up Michael Hamlin from Clemson. Or when Mario Williams came out of NC State. Or when Aaron Curry and Alphonso Smith came out of Wake Forest last year. I sat out in the pouring rain at Doak Campbell Stadium and watched Wake Forest dominate FSU 30-0 and I still loved these two guys as prospects. I am constantly talking up players from the ACC Atlantic and ACC overall. I was the first person to shine the light on Clemson S DeAndre McDaniel this year.

Perhaps you ought to check post history before making such claims.

I just legitimately see Spiller as a McFadden/Bush type of back that has all the speed in the world but limited leg power. Last year I was talking up James Davis all year. Same school, same position. I promise you, it has nothing to do with any sort of bias.

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FWIW .

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#1A C.J. Spiller 5-10, 195 4.30 Clemson
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My case for Spiller - He is taylor made this offense. He not only gives our running game a boost with his crazy speed he is capable of improving our passing game. Watch the highlight videos above and you will see him turning the same screen plays we run into long TD runs.

However having a smaller back like Spiller would mean that we would have to continue to more of a pass to set up the run style ala Indy. Its not as big a stretch as some might think. We pretty much did it all year and did it well. You add Spiller to this years offense and I believe our 10 plus yard runs more than double. He also would improve our kickoff return game. Adding another big play threat like Spiller to our offense would make us one of the most dangerous offenses in the league.

Some will point out that he will have trouble in pass protection because of his size but that is going to be a problem with any rookie RB and I feel like his big play threat will nullify that enough to overlook it. Teams will have to put a spy on him or risk giving up a big play. That means one less blitzer to worry about.

Others will point out that he isn’t strong enough or big enough to run between the tackles on a regular basis. I agree that in a run oriented offense this would be true. It is my opinion that we stay true to our strengths and continue spread the ball around and get it to our playmakers in the open field. He would flourish in this type offense.

A Spiller, Slaton combination assuming Slaton returns to last years form could be one of the better more dangerous backfields in all of the NFL. If Slaton doesn’t return we would still have Spiller and Foster as a one two punch and we should be able to find another more traditional RB in FA or later in the draft.

So going into next season our stable of RB’s would look like this.
Slaton, Spiller, Foster and Moats or FA or late draft pick. I would really like to see Moats let go and us pick up another bigger back that can get tough yards since he wouldn’t be getting much playing time with Spiller on the team.
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