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Old 01-04-2010   #1
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Default Why Gary Kubiak Should NOT Be Extended

There are lots of reasons why he shouldn't be extended, but most importantly, it is because he does not deserve to be extended. He has not done enough to show that he is the coach to lead this team to the championship level.

Let me illustrate the reasons why:

1. Pathetic divisional record. If you can't win in the division, you can't make the playoffs. Even with multiple teams imploding at the end of the season, our 1-5 divisional record damned us to another year of irrelevance in the postseason. If you can't win in the division, you don't deserve to be extended.

2. Way too stubborn. Gary wasted 1/2 of our season trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. How stubborn do you have to be to bring back Chris Brown and be so myopic to think it would actually work out. Then when the guy costs you at least 2 football games, you still stick with him because you are too stubborn to admit you and Rick screwed up. He also insisted on trying to run the ball when it was painfully obvious that our passing game gave us the best chance to win. Gary also showed the epitome of stubborness by continuing to start Chris Myers even though he is one of the worst starting Centers in the history of the league....but he was a Bronco so he got Gary's vote. Head Coaches need to show accountability and flexibility. To keep trotting out guys that suck when there are other capable guys available, just shows how he tries to be everyone's friend too much and doesn't hold people accountable.

3. Pathetic game management and in-game adjustments. Kubiak got outcoached by rookie head coaches in every instance this year. His decisions on requesting replay reviews were some of the worst decisions ever. Him calling timeout after Moats fumble was ruled down by contact giving Caldwell a chance to look over it cost us the season. First and Goal at the 1 yard line is invaluable and you shouldn't risk that to run 15 seconds off the clock. Are you so afraid of Peyton having :30 seconds that you are willing to risk a golden scoring opportunity. Just a moronic call. Maybe he was too busy hiding his head because he was afraid to watch that he didn't realize what game situation he is in. As for ingame adjustments, the fact that the team can't put together 2 halves of football is an idictment of our coaching staff as much as anything.

4. The offensive coordinator is going to be changed anyways. What if Gary and the new OC can't get the job done like they did this year. Do we want to be liable for the rest of the contract if we aren't even sure of what we are going to get next year from the offense after Lil' Shanny is presumably gone? Gary is having a hard of enough time to be a decent head coach than to have to run/rewire the offense next year.

5. Horrible clock management. We all know this is true. It's been evident since the day he got here.

6. Plays scared and can't even watch plays happen because he is so afraid of failure he can't watch. Not exactly inspirational.

7. His teams come out flat too much to start games and/or after halftime. He must have a problem delivering speeches to players and inspiring them because they are often flat and uninspired. He gives a great speech and everyone makes a big deal and they win and he calls out some of our stars (Mario) and they play well. Why not give a great speech every week? Why wait until you are almost mathematically eliminated from playoffs till you actually start being proactive? You can't pick your spots to inspire the troops when your playing the Rams and Seahawks. You need to make it happen every week, especially in division.

8. He is a .500 coach who has never gotten us to the playoffs. I don't see any reason why he should be extended past next year. If he can get the team to play well next year and we are at the midpoint 5-3 or better and some of his aforementioned shortcomings show improvement or are eliminated, I am all for him getting an extension. But reaching .500 as a coach and underachieving for the balance of the season, is not a reason to reup the guy.

I am willing to welcome Kubiak back but to give him a new contract extension reeks of the same scent of failure that giving Carr the maximum extension had. Just carebear attitude from a carebear organization that has created a lot of careless players. And if Gary has a problem with being .500 and not getting an extension, lets give ole Bill Cowher a call.
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Smart business would be to re-evaluate mid-season. I am more focused on what free agents we should keep and how compensatory draft picks will be given.
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Default Re: Why Gary Kubiak Should NOT Be Extended

From McNair's comments, it looks like Gary is not going to get an extension but rather get 2010 to prove that he can take the next step. Maybe McNair has learned from his mistakes.
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2010 should most certainly be a put up or get the heck out year for Kubiak.
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Don't we have enough of these threads? For, Against, just cram them all into one ~ so I can ignor it.
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1. Pathetic divisional record. If you can't win in the division, you can't make the playoffs. Even with multiple teams imploding at the end of the season, our 1-5 divisional record damned us to another year of irrelevance in the postseason. If you can't win in the division, you don't deserve to be extended.
The only loss out of our division games that I hang on Kubes is the HB option in Jax. The players lost those games after his gameplan put them in position to win.

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2. Way too stubborn. Gary wasted 1/2 of our season trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. How stubborn do you have to be to bring back Chris Brown and be so myopic to think it would actually work out. Then when the guy costs you at least 2 football games, you still stick with him because you are too stubborn to admit you and Rick screwed up. He also insisted on trying to run the ball when it was painfully obvious that our passing game gave us the best chance to win. Gary also showed the epitome of stubborness by continuing to start Chris Myers even though he is one of the worst starting Centers in the history of the league....but he was a Bronco so he got Gary's vote. Head Coaches need to show accountability and flexibility. To keep trotting out guys that suck when there are other capable guys available, just shows how he tries to be everyone's friend too much and doesn't hold people accountable.
Definitely something I can get behind. He is way too loyal to his veterans.

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3. Pathetic game management and in-game adjustments. Kubiak got outcoached by rookie head coaches in every instance this year. His decisions on requesting replay reviews were some of the worst decisions ever. Him calling timeout after Moats fumble was ruled down by contact giving Caldwell a chance to look over it cost us the season. First and Goal at the 1 yard line is invaluable and you shouldn't risk that to run 15 seconds off the clock. Are you so afraid of Peyton having :30 seconds that you are willing to risk a golden scoring opportunity. Just a moronic call. Maybe he was too busy hiding his head because he was afraid to watch that he didn't realize what game situation he is in. As for ingame adjustments, the fact that the team can't put together 2 halves of football is an idictment of our coaching staff as much as anything.
How did he get outcoached? The Jets flat out manhandled them for 4 quarters. He had the team in position to beat Caldwell twice, but the players couldn't get it done.

He didn't call timeout after the Moats fumble. It was the 2:00 warning. The play took place 40+ yards from where he was standing, and he didn't see a replay until after it was too late. Monday morning quarterback more.

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4. The offensive coordinator is going to be changed anyways. What if Gary and the new OC can't get the job done like they did this year. Do we want to be liable for the rest of the contract if we aren't even sure of what we are going to get next year from the offense after Lil' Shanny is presumably gone? Gary is having a hard of enough time to be a decent head coach than to have to run/rewire the offense next year.
Kubiak has run the offense every year, giving his coordinators a very short leash. If there's a change in OC it would be the 4th in 5 years, without a hitch.

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5. Horrible clock management. We all know this is true. It's been evident since the day he got here.
His clock management has been quite good this year. When they get the ball at the end of the half/game they are almost certain to get into scoring range with time to kick it.

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6. Plays scared and can't even watch plays happen because he is so afraid of failure he can't watch. Not exactly inspirational.
Which has less than nothing to do with the outcome of the play. Why don't you whine about something equally irrelevant like his Denny's menu.

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7. His teams come out flat too much to start games and/or after halftime. He must have a problem delivering speeches to players and inspiring them because they are often flat and uninspired. He gives a great speech and everyone makes a big deal and they win and he calls out some of our stars (Mario) and they play well. Why not give a great speech every week? Why wait until you are almost mathematically eliminated from playoffs till you actually start being proactive? You can't pick your spots to inspire the troops when your playing the Rams and Seahawks. You need to make it happen every week, especially in division.
Do you want a coach or a motivational speaker? If your players need to be inspired to play for their millions then they should just be cut.

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8. He is a .500 coach who has never gotten us to the playoffs. I don't see any reason why he should be extended past next year. If he can get the team to play well next year and we are at the midpoint 5-3 or better and some of his aforementioned shortcomings show improvement or are eliminated, I am all for him getting an extension. But reaching .500 as a coach and underachieving for the balance of the season, is not a reason to reup the guy.
I don't think he's earned an extension at this point, but I agree with Lucky that a lame duck year would hurt the team.
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If I were McNair, I would give him an extension that I can walk away from at anytime.

If I were Kubiak, I would sign no such thing.
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Thats why not everyone gets to be the boss. It's too tough to see thru the fog for 90% of us.

I mean dang...some of you can't even pick the right Hamburger Helper flavor for din-din but you have the Texans woes solved.

Most people are better off just punching the clock and whining in the break room. (See not drafting VY was a mistake/Not drafting Reggie NCAA Violator was a mistake and blah blah blah)

Kubes is the right guy.

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The only loss out of our division games that I hang on Kubes is the HB option in Jax. The players lost those games after his gameplan put them in position to win.



Definitely something I can get behind. He is way too loyal to his veterans.



How did he get outcoached? The Jets flat out manhandled them for 4 quarters. He had the team in position to beat Caldwell twice, but the players couldn't get it done.

He didn't call timeout after the Moats fumble. It was the 2:00 warning. The play took place 40+ yards from where he was standing, and he didn't see a replay until after it was too late. Monday morning quarterback more.



Kubiak has run the offense every year, giving his coordinators a very short leash. If there's a change in OC it would be the 4th in 5 years, without a hitch.



His clock management has been quite good this year. When they get the ball at the end of the half/game they are almost certain to get into scoring range with time to kick it.



Which has less than nothing to do with the outcome of the play. Why don't you whine about something equally irrelevant like his Denny's menu.



Do you want a coach or a motivational speaker? If your players need to be inspired to play for their millions then they should just be cut.



I don't think he's earned an extension at this point, but I agree with Lucky that a lame duck year would hurt the team.
You've pretty much laid out any argument I would make so I will agree with you up until the last part. Kubiak was a lame duck coach from the Monday night game on (if not earlier). Nobody knew if he was going to be back or not, and the team rallied in the end. Unless the extension he signed was very friendly to the Texans (Which he would either be an ego maniac or an ***** to sign), he should be re-evaluated during the season. To me a 2 year extension right now seems like it would do nothing more than enhance the bind the Texans have to Kubiak fiscally when his future is still in question.

The first post is an indicator of reasons why a typical fan would be upset with Kubiak, but does not really illustrate any good reasons why he shouldn't be extended. I don't see why saying "You will get to finish your contract out" should automatically equal "Here's a few more years".
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Thats why not everyone gets to be the boss. It's too tough to see thru the fog for 90% of us.

I mean dang...some of you can't even pick the right Hamburger Helper flavor for din-din but you have the Texans woes solved.

Most people are better off just punching the clock and whining in the break room. (See not drafting VY was a mistake/Not drafting Reggie NCAA Violator was a mistake and blah blah blah)

Kubes is the right guy.

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I'm trying to figure out how 9-7 and winning the last game all of a sudden makes this so. You do know that everyone wants the same thing here?Shakes head....for another time
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I was in favor of Kubiak coming back next season, however I am against giving him a contract extension. What's the point really? Next year is his final season per current contract. Let's have this conversation after the playoffs next season about a new contract or letting him go.
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I'm trying to figure out how 9-7 and winning the last game all of a sudden makes this so. You do know that everyone wants the same thing here?Shakes head....for another time
Hardly "all of a sudden"...I have been getting grief from the water cooler crowd since all of this started. Not much different form when I was saying...

"We really need to look hard at this dude from NC St...."

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Don't we have enough of these threads? For, Against, just cram them all into one ~ so I can ignor it.
Like you did this one?
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Thats why not everyone gets to be the boss. It's too tough to see thru the fog for 90% of us.

I mean dang...some of you can't even pick the right Hamburger Helper flavor for din-din but you have the Texans woes solved.

Most people are better off just punching the clock and whining in the break room. (See not drafting VY was a mistake/Not drafting Reggie NCAA Violator was a mistake and blah blah blah)

Kubes is the right guy.

Sincerely,

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The op makes several points that support the decision McNair should make: fire Kubiak. It may be a difficult decision, but it would show McNair's commitment to winning. This isn't the decision that is being made.

If McNair is committed to winning, and truly believes that Kubiak is the right guy, he should extend him.

It appears that McNair will take the milquetoast way out. He'll keep Kubiak because he hopes he can put it together, but deep down he probably believes that Kubiak won't come through. He will not risk bringing in a new coach, and he will not risk extending his chosen one. At worst the team probably will be average, at best it will probably take another incremental step. It is unlikely there will be a big step either forward or back.

This is a commitment to mediocrity, not to excellence. At least this clarifies the owner's position on winning in my mind.
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9-7 to you soapers...BEST RECORD EVER SCOREBOARD.
"Best record ever" for the Texans, anyway. There are usually many teams that exceed 9-7 any given year.

How's this for a marketing tagline:

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Yeah, extending his contract makes NO sense. I mean, four years after inheriting a 2-14 team I expect PERFECTION.

I would elaborate further, but I'm off to go belittle my 10 year old nephew for not being able to slam dunk already.
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The op makes several points that support the decision McNair should make: fire Kubiak. It may be a difficult decision, but it would show McNair's commitment to winning. This isn't the decision that is being made.

If McNair is committed to winning, and truly believes that Kubiak is the right guy, he should extend him.

It appears that McNair will take the milquetoast way out. He'll extend Kubiak because he hopes he can put it together, but deep down he probably believes that Kubiak won't come through. He will not risk bringing in a new coach, and he will not risk extending his chosen one. At worst the team probably will be average, at best it will probably take another incremental step. It is unlikely there will be a big step either forward or back.

This is a commitment to mediocrity, not to excellence. At least this clarifies the owner's position on winning in my mind.
What if the reason he's not extending Kubiak is because of the impending CBA hoopla and possible 2011 lockout?
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What if the reason he's not extending Kubiak is because of the impending CBA hoopla and possible 2011 lockout?
Why would these things keep McNair from extending a coach he truly believes will be a big winner with this team? Shouldn't he lock down what he can in the face if this (mostly theoretical) turmoil?
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