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Johnny Holland has been one of the bright spots on the defensive coaching staff since he got here in 06:

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He now boasts the best young LB corps in the NFL which features 2 pro bowlers in Ryans and Cushing plus a solid starter in Diles and quality depth in Bentley and Adibi. Does anyone think we're in danger of losing him at the end of the season to a team in need of a DC?

If not this year, its only a matter of time until the coach of the best young LB corps (maybe just best LB unit period) gets a call to become an NFL DC...

Heck of a coach, the results of the talent he's developed speaks for itself. Sure Ryans and Cushing are blue chippers but Diles was a 7th round pick that he developed into a solid starter.
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I think I've heard that a time or thirteen.
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Johnny Holland has been one of the bright spots on the defensive coaching staff since he got here in 06:

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=13

He now boasts the best young LB corps in the NFL which features 2 pro bowlers in Ryans and Cushing plus a solid starter in Diles and quality depth in Bentley and Adibi. Does anyone think we're in danger of losing him at the end of the season to a team in need of a DC?

If not this year, its only a matter of time until the coach of the best young LB corps (maybe just best LB unit period) gets a call to become an NFL DC...

Heck of a coach, the results of the talent he's developed speaks for itself. Sure Ryans and Cushing are blue chippers but Diles was a 7th round pick that he developed into a solid starter.
to be fair a lot of people thought he was a future starter for us when we drafted him. mel kiper and some others thought it was a great pick. not sure how someone everyone thinks can start in this league lasts till the seventh round though. i think that was more of a solid 7th round pick than anything else.
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Haven't you heard? - promoting from within never works. It is just the sign of a cheap owner.
it hasn't worked yet, icak. how long should we give Gary before we make a much needed change? another year? another four years? since when did you become such a kubiak apologist? when does the excuse farming stop?

this was our year and kubiak and his gee shucks act blew it....again. people act like changing things is gonna require this huge sea change. the time is now for a change. we have had the talent all along. we just have substandard coaching, game preparation and inspiration/leadership. you can say 'they are professional they should inspire themselves' but we all know that doesn't hold water. coaching is the single most important factor to a team's success other than a decent QB. we need someone with some more fire and someone who isn't such a flatlining good ole boy.

i bet if the guy was from the Northeast or West Coast, people would be lining up to fire him...but because he is from Houston and a 'hero' he gets this carebear treatment. I aint buying it.

kubiak is what he has shown himself to be. a poor to mediocre head coach and a good offensive coordinator. no amount of pandering or excuse making is going to change that. even if he salvages 9-7 this year, he is a .500 coach. is that worth a 5th year? if so, why? because you say so?

is everything gonna magically change next year? you would have thought some of us would have learned that you are what you are. how did making excuses and 'wait till next year' work for the Carr apologists? it didn't...

...so why is it going to work next year. and for the record, McNair has been cheap when it comes to head coaching and when it comes to top free agents. the numbers speak for themselves. sorry to burst your bubble.

the guy has done a good job turning the offense around but you can't play scared like he does and expect to win. you also can't wait till your season is basically over before you start playing good football...oh and mix in a win against a good team every once in a while. beating losing teams is good for 8-8 and that is about it. kubiak gets outcoached constantly and its getting old. you may just be too blind to see or so drunk on the koolaid that you can't see the forest through the trees. dunno.
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it hasn't worked yet, icak. how long should we give Gary before we make a much needed change? another year? another four years? since when did you become such a kubiak apologist? when does the excuse farming stop?
Really it hasn't? Last I checked Frank Bush's D was dramatically better than Smith's and is sending 3 guys to the Pro Bowl.

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Maybe if you say it enough times it will become true. McNair has had top third payrolls throughout the existence of the Texans. Sorry to burst your rant.
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Really it hasn't? Last I checked Frank Bush's D was dramatically better than Smith's and is sending 3 guys to the Pro Bowl.



Maybe if you say it enough times it will become true. McNair has had top third payrolls throughout the existence of the Texans. Sorry to burst your rant.
we are talking about coaching icak. nothing burst.
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it hasn't worked yet, icak. how long should we give Gary before we make a much needed change? another year? another four years? since when did you become such a kubiak apologist? when does the excuse farming stop?

this was our year and kubiak and his gee shucks act blew it....again. people act like changing things is gonna require this huge sea change. the time is now for a change. we have had the talent all along. we just have substandard coaching, game preparation and inspiration/leadership. you can say 'they are professional they should inspire themselves' but we all know that doesn't hold water. coaching is the single most important factor to a team's success other than a decent QB. we need someone with some more fire and someone who isn't such a flatlining good ole boy.

i bet if the guy was from the Northeast or West Coast, people would be lining up to fire him...but because he is from Houston and a 'hero' he gets this carebear treatment. I aint buying it.

kubiak is what he has shown himself to be. a poor to mediocre head coach and a good offensive coordinator. no amount of pandering or excuse making is going to change that. even if he salvages 9-7 this year, he is a .500 coach. is that worth a 5th year? if so, why? because you say so?

is everything gonna magically change next year? you would have thought some of us would have learned that you are what you are. how did making excuses and 'wait till next year' work for the Carr apologists? it didn't...

...so why is it going to work next year. and for the record, McNair has been cheap when it comes to head coaching and when it comes to top free agents. the numbers speak for themselves. sorry to burst your bubble.

the guy has done a good job turning the offense around but you can't play scared like he does and expect to win. you also can't wait till your season is basically over before you start playing good football...oh and mix in a win against a good team every once in a while. beating losing teams is good for 8-8 and that is about it. kubiak gets outcoached constantly and its getting old. you may just be too blind to see or so drunk on the koolaid that you can't see the forest through the trees. dunno.
great, another fire kubiak thread emerges.
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to be fair a lot of people thought he was a future starter for us when we drafted him. mel kiper and some others thought it was a great pick. not sure how someone everyone thinks can start in this league lasts till the seventh round though. i think that was more of a solid 7th round pick than anything else.
You mean the homers on this forum thought that a 7th round pick would start for us? Just like they do with "insert undrafted rookie who did well at OTAs"? Anytime you draft someone in the 7th round its a success if they stick with your team. Those are flyer players.

I think Johnny Holland should get a bit more credit for developing a 7th round pick into a starter than to say... it was just a solid 7th round pick. No team is drafting a 7th rounder and expecting that player to start. They just hope the player can contribute on ST and if they're a QB maybe they'll get good at holding a clipboard.
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we are talking about coaching icak. nothing burst.
What was my comment? Was it about Kubiak? Nope. It was about Bush who has done a good job this year.

And yes payroll does burst your repeated rants on McNair being cheap. He is spending money with the big boys. They have just had a number of poor high dollar decisions.
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*rant*
There's plenty of other threads to talk about Kubiak. This thread is about one of our better position coaches who might be up for a promotion soon.
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I hate this time of year. I hate the "when will we loose Johnny Holland thread." I am in complete and total denial.

Never. ever. He'll be our Howard Mudd / Dick LeBeau / Jim Johnson. He'll be 70. Demeco and CUshing will play together for 15 more years. Schaub will play into his 40's. Right? Right!?
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You mean the homers on this forum thought that a 7th round pick would start for us? Just like they do with "insert undrafted rookie who did well at OTAs"? Anytime you draft someone in the 7th round its a success if they stick with your team. Those are flyer players.

I think Johnny Holland should get a bit more credit for developing a 7th round pick into a starter than to say... it was just a solid 7th round pick. No team is drafting a 7th rounder and expecting that player to start. They just hope the player can contribute on ST and if they're a QB maybe they'll get good at holding a clipboard.
no! thats not what i mean. i said what i meant in my original post. mel kiper said he would be a future starter for us. i also read several other so called "experts" who said it was a great pick. i don't watch college football so when we draft a player i start collecting information on them. the information i got about diles was that he had a very good chance of being a starter or at least having a strong impact for this team. i usually don't read that about 7th rounders so it kind of stuck.
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no! thats not what i mean. i said what i meant in my original post. mel kiper said he would be a future starter for us. i also read several other so called "experts" who said it was a great pick. i don't watch college football so when we draft a player i start collecting information on them. the information i got about diles was that he has a very good chance of being a starter or at least have a strong impact for this team. i usually don't read that about 7th rounders so it kind of stuck.
Regardless, just because pundits claim its a good pick doesn't make it so... Holland has more to do with his development than us just being lucky he fell to the 7th round.
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Johnny Holland has been one of the bright spots on the defensive coaching staff since he got here in 06:

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=13

He now boasts the best young LB corps in the NFL which features 2 pro bowlers in Ryans and Cushing plus a solid starter in Diles and quality depth in Bentley and Adibi. Does anyone think we're in danger of losing him at the end of the season to a team in need of a DC?

If not this year, its only a matter of time until the coach of the best young LB corps (maybe just best LB unit period) gets a call to become an NFL DC...

Heck of a coach, the results of the talent he's developed speaks for itself. Sure Ryans and Cushing are blue chippers but Diles was a 7th round pick that he developed into a solid starter.
Ryans and Cushing are 1st round blue chip prospects but how many guys with the same pedigree never pan out? Holland deserves big time credit for bringing those guys to where they're at. I bet he gets a lot of sniffs and possibly even an interview for a DC job or two.
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Ryans and Cushing are 1st round blue chip prospects but how many guys with the same pedigree never pan out? Holland deserves big time credit for bringing those guys to where they're at. I bet he gets a lot of sniffs and possibly even an interview for a DC job or two.
i do agree. i was just adding to the conversation with my diles "take".
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