How does indy's tank job go unanswered??

[CloakNNNdagger]

When fights or races are rigged, or other professional sports are "predetermined," we all know how we the fans are affected. But has anyone thought of the aspect of MONEY................."legitimate" betting on game, playoff and Super Bowl results accounts for millions and millions of dollars trading hands.........no doubt, many will have taken a pounding for what was done this week. If this is considered a justifiable approach by the Colts' office, what rules out that this could have been done primarily to stuff millions into some waiting hands? Can anyone say with certainty that the sole purpose of this fiasco was not pursued for that purpose?..............of course, under the camouflage of propriety? Can anyone?...............now or in the future? Goodell.............wake up before the cloud of "Ali vs Liston" rains on the NFL................just saying...........

[gwallaia]

People should adjust their bets and betting lines modified if a team is expected to pull their starters in similar types of games.

[Stemp]

It would only be rigged if some knew the outcome before hand or had inside knowledge that they were definitely going to pull starters from the game. Plus they would have have to have known that the Colts defense would crumble even though they still had starters on that side of the ball and that the Jets wouldn't fold.

[Texecutioner]

I think all of this dumping on the COlts is ridiculous. This is nothing new where teams pull their starters in situations like this. People knew that it had a very good idea of happening, and then when it did everyone wants to jump all over the HC and the Colts staff.

Had Manning or Reggie Wayne gotten hurt for the season, the entire media and fans would be bashing the coaching staff and talking about how stupid they were to risk their marquee players and bla bla bla. They'd talk about this season forever and how the Colts potential SB season was ruined all because they wanted to go for a perfect season. I've got no issues with what the Colts coaches did. They took the starters out when the Colts had control of the game and looked at that sort of as a win, and then took them out from there. Caldwell shouldn't risk having his top players hurt like that in my opinion. That game and this next one doesn't benefit his team any to win them, so he is trying to procure the most healthy team that he can when it really counts. And if the Colts don't win the SB and lose in the post season everyone will be saying that it's all because they took their starters out and yada yada yada.

I say Kudos to the Colts coaching staff for not listening to all of the bull**** from the media and sticking to their game plan and strategy.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I think all of this dumping on the COlts is ridiculous. This is nothing new where teams pull their starters in situations like this.

Yes this is something new. Very few teams have gone into week 16 undefeated. Plus Manning is the least hit QB around.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Yes this is something new. Very few teams have gone into week 16 undefeated. Plus Manning is the least hit QB around.

The Colts went undefeated into week 16 just a few years ago and then lost their last two games. There are way to many injuries in the NFL on any given play. Whether Manning has been hardly touched his entire career is irrelevant and a very cocky way to look at a situation like this, because none of that matters if his tackle or guard slips on a play and a DT crushes Manning where his leg falls the wrong way. Brady hadn't been touched hardly either before his injury from last season. It could happen on any play. Manning will eventually catch a bad injury just like every player practically does in the NFL eventually. His luck will run out at some point, it's just a matter of "when?"

The Colts staff was going to be criticized no matter what they did here. SOme people would say they were stupid to risk their starters of injuries, and some will say that they're hurting their chemistry. But had someone major gotten hurt their staff would have never heard the end of it. And the Colts have probably the best chemistry on offense of any team throughout this entire decade, so I don't think this will matter to them one bit come playoff time.

[Stemp]

2005 - Record 14-2 - Indy rests starters in week 16 - First game playoff loss
2006 - 12-4 - Indy plays starters in week 16 - Wins Super Bowl
2007 - 13-3 - Indy rests starters in week 16 - First game playoff loss
2008 - 12-4 - Not sure - First round playoff loss.
2009 - 15-1 or 14-2 - Indy likely rests starters for week 16 - ?????

There is something to be said for players being rusty, especially after a 3 week layoff with a first round bye.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

The Colts went undefeated into week 16 just a few years ago and then lost their last two games.

No, they went undefeated into week 15 in 2005 and Manning played all of the week 15 loss to San Diego with 45 passing attempts. He sat out most of weeks 16 & 17 after losing the chance at an undefeated season.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

No, they went undefeated into week 15 in 2005 and Manning played all of the week 15 loss to San Diego with 45 passing attempts. He sat out most of weeks 16 & 17 after losing the chance at an undefeated season.

The Colts didn't lose any games until their 15th game of that season. They went 14-0 before losing. I don't know if there was a 17th week that season or not, but it wasn't until their 15th game that they lost. These last two games didn't help than any at all though, and were more of a risk from them losing key players for the season. NOw they'll most likely go into the playoffs very very healthy and ready for a run.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

The Colts didn't lose any games until their 15th game of that season. They went 14-0 before losing. I don't know if there was a 17th week that season or not, but it wasn't until their 15th game that they lost. These last two games didn't help than any at all though, and were more of a risk from them losing key players for the season. NOw they'll most likely go into the playoffs very very healthy and ready for a run.

No they did not go 14-0 before losing. They were 13-0 then lost to San Diego in week 15 with Manning playing, then lost to Seatle the next week and then won the final game against the Cards. Main point being Manning played until they lost a game.

[texasguy346]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I don't know if there was a 17th week that season or not, but it wasn't until their 15th game that they lost.

Just for clarification since each team has a Bye week and each team plays 16 games every season has a 17th week.

[TheCD]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I think all of this dumping on the COlts is ridiculous. This is nothing new where teams pull their starters in situations like this. People knew that it had a very good idea of happening, and then when it did everyone wants to jump all over the HC and the Colts staff.

Had Manning or Reggie Wayne gotten hurt for the season, the entire media and fans would be bashing the coaching staff and talking about how stupid they were to risk their marquee players and bla bla bla. They'd talk about this season forever and how the Colts potential SB season was ruined all because they wanted to go for a perfect season. I've got no issues with what the Colts coaches did. They took the starters out when the Colts had control of the game and looked at that sort of as a win, and then took them out from there. Caldwell shouldn't risk having his top players hurt like that in my opinion. That game and this next one doesn't benefit his team any to win them, so he is trying to procure the most healthy team that he can when it really counts. And if the Colts don't win the SB and lose in the post season everyone will be saying that it's all because they took their starters out and yada yada yada.

I say Kudos to the Colts coaching staff for not listening to all of the bull**** from the media and sticking to their game plan and strategy.

We all know and understand the "injury" argument concerning pulling players, but I really do think it's hogwash. If that's their philosophy, then so be it. But I honestly wish someone would look up the all-time playoff records of teams that had a bye and rested their starters at least in the last week of the season (of course, Peyton will start the first series so that his "consecutive starts" streak stays alive...even though the Colts swear they don't care about streaks, right?).

My biggest gripe about pulling the starters is the situation itself. Had they just done it in Buffalo it would have been better understood. But to pull the starters in a situation in which you were barely winning anyways, a game in which Peyton and his receivers were off target quite a bit...I just don't understand.

If the goal is to better prepare your team for the playoffs (in this case "resting their starters"), why wouldn't you want them to to continue to compete against a team that's essentialy playing a playoff game itself? The Jets were desparate that game and wanted it bad. Isn't that how all teams are in the playoffs? Isn't that a great situation to prepare your team for the playoffs?

I just feel that the Colts would have been better prepared by finishing the game with the starters (regardless of whether they win or lose). I know presently that the Colts are 0-4 so far when they rest their starters before a bye week going into the playoffs. They won the Super Bowl fighting for their lives and playing through the Wild Card round. Memory tells me that that very thing is the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and expecting different results. The one time they won it all they did something different. Why not go back to what worked?

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

No they did not go 14-0 before losing. They were 13-0 then lost to San Diego in week 15 with Manning playing, then lost to Seatle the next week and then won the final game against the Cards. Main point being Manning played until they lost a game.

Well I guess I'll just take your word for it then. My memory must be failing me I guess.

I do remember that Chargers game though and Manning playing pretty bad in that game.

Had they played their guys, I wouldn't have knocked them for it, and had they sat them like they did I think that was a smart decision as well. They'll need their studs for the post season.

[Vinny]

if you don't want a team with all that power, win more games. Beat them. You earned the right to play as you please once you clinch. No artificial everyone is a winner pukefest for me. The King is dead, all hail the King.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Well I guess I'll just take your word for it then. My memory must be failing me I guess.

Here you go - 2005 Manning game logs.

I do remember that Chargers game though and Manning playing pretty bad in that game.

Manning becomes human when he gets sacked 4 times in a game.

Originally Posted by Vinny

if you don't want a team with all that power, win more games. Beat them. You earned the right to play as you please once you clinch. No artificial everyone is a winner pukefest for me. The King is dead, all hail the King.

Sure, although my point here isn't about ramifications to the Texans. I just think if you have a chance to play for history you should.

[GNR87]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

No they did not go 14-0 before losing. They were 13-0 then lost to San Diego in week 15 with Manning playing, then lost to Seatle the next week and then won the final game against the Cards. Main point being Manning played until they lost a game.

You are correct! Colts were 13-0 before losing to the Chargers then pulling out their last game that year to go 14-2.

Personally, I hated that they didn't go for perfection this year. I understand the reasoning why.....BUT I DON'T LIKE IT. You have a chance for history you have to sieze the moment. There are a lot of very pissed off Colts fans over this decision. If they hadn't of been undefeated then I would be in complete agreement over pulling the starters. You take care of your team first. But with a history making season in progress you go for the win, IMO.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by GNR87

You are correct! Colts were 13-0 before losing to the Chargers then pulling out their last game that year to go 14-2.

Personally, I hated that they didn't go for perfection this year. I understand the reasoning why.....BUT I DON'T LIKE IT. You have a chance for history you have to sieze the moment. There are a lot of very pissed off Colts fans over this decision. If they hadn't of been undefeated then I would be in complete agreement over pulling the starters. You take care of your team first. But with a history making season in progress you go for the win, IMO.

As y'all should be. Those opportunities aren't growing on trees.

[TheRealJoker]

I do not agree with what Indy did but if you were silly enough to bet on a team that had already clinched homefield advantage against a team fighting for the playoffs you deserve to lose your money.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Sure, although my point here isn't about ramifications to the Texans. I just think if you have a chance to play for history you should.

Nobody gets a trophy for going 16-0 in the regular season.

The Patriots played for history and it bit them in the butt. Different scenario than the Colts, but I'm sure that they'd rather be 15-1 with a Super Bowl trophy that season instead of 16-0 w/o the trophy. The Giants knew the Patriots well from that week 17 match up, and even though they lost that one, Coughlin said it was key to knowing the Patriots and giving his players motivation going into the playoffs.

[TheCD]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Nobody gets a trophy for going 16-0 in the regular season.

True...but if you had 100 playoffs with a 16-0 team, how many of those 16-0 teams wouldn't win it all? I'd be willing to bet that better than 70% of the 16-0 teams go on to win it all.


Again...I've got to say, the Colts resting their starters has NEVER worked. They're 0-4 when they rest like they're going to do now. Why would it start working this year?