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Old 12-28-2009   #1
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Default Are we seeing Jacoby Jones make a legitimate case to become the #2 WR next year?

Ok, before throwing stones at me the source for my question is none other than Lance Zierlein whose opinions I respect more than basically anyone when it comes to all things football in Houston. Here is a question he posed in his blog.

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Are we seeing Jacoby Jones make a legitimate case to become the #2 WR next year? I know the Texans don't want to lose Kevin Walter in free agency and I know that Walter is a better blocker in the running game than Jacoby (that matters to the Texans), but it is hard to ignore Jacoby's ability to make things happen after the catch and his 5 TDs in 22 catches is an insane total in comparison to Walter's 2 TDs in 51 catches.
So, what say you?
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I don't think it matters whether he is #2 or #3 - he just needs play time and he has shown he deserves to be on the field. We play tons of 3 and 4 WR sets.
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Default Re: Are we seeing Jacoby Jones make a legitimate case to become the #2 WR next year?

He is becoming a legit reciever but can he be counted on for a full time row? I just don't know. I don't think anyone will break the bank for Kevin since he is having a very average season.
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A situational number two, yes. We do need someone that can block if itís a running play, but JJ can damn near outrun everyone on the team and we need that speed. I do think JJ has redeemed himself and is becoming a legitimate receiver. With both him and AJ in at the same time, it poses a big coverage problem for opposing CBs and safeties on long passing plays.
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Default Re: Are we seeing Jacoby Jones make a legitimate case to become the #2 WR next year?

i would tell you that he droped another catchable ball yesterday but so did kevin.

why did he list wr as one of our positions of need? it was later in the article when people were asking him questions. don't really agree with that.
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Lance Z's opinion notwithstanding, I don't trust Jacoby's hands in tight quarters enough yet to make him a #2. As a #3 or 4, we NEED to get him on the field more to stretch the coverage as he can get safeties pulled off of AJ. Simply put, if Jacoby gets a step on your CB, there are VERY few who can catch him...hit him in stride and it's 6.
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why did he list wr as one of our positions of need? it was later in the article when people were asking him questions. don't really agree with that.
WR is one of the last positions I'd be addressing in the offseason. We need CBs, safetys, linemen, and a good RB LONG before we need more WRs.
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Default Re: Are we seeing Jacoby Jones make a legitimate case to become the #2 WR next year?

I've got mixed feelings on JJ, but I'm a lot more positive about him after this season. He's still a work in progress, but I agree with Thorn in that he's a 'situational number two'. I don't want to lose Walter, though, but there may not be enough ball to go around.
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Simply put, if Jacoby gets a step on your CB, there are VERY few who can catch him...hit him in stride and it's 6.
Agreed and yet his speed reputation is a funny phenomenon. He appears fast when he runs while AJ does not but AJ is faster. Something about their stride.
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Jacoby is a young Corey Bradford at this point in his career. I hope he becomes more but only time will tell.
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Agreed and yet his speed reputation is a funny phenomenon. He appears fast when he runs while AJ does not but AJ is faster. Something about their stride.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2007&genpos=WR

According to this , he ran a 4.5 before the draft . Jacoby has good football speed and runs away from guys . He also has a loosey goosey way when he's got the ball and cuts on a dime . All this and he's 6'2 and 210 lbs . Reminds me of a poor man's John Taylor .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ta...an_football%29
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Default Re: Are we seeing Jacoby Jones make a legitimate case to become the #2 WR next year?

I like Jacoby's progress, but our number 2 WR needs to be able to catch balls over the middle. I still think Jacoby is too fragile for that. Keven Walter has good hands, good speed and is consistant. I rewound his missed catch as soon as it happened and while it was catchable, it was poorly thrown. Had Schaub put that ball in front of him KW would have gotten a few yards out of that play. I think slot guys historically score few times because they catch the ball in the middle in traffic. It's a good thing we have a player like AJ who can play both positions, but I like what we have right now.
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i would tell you that he droped another catchable ball yesterday but so did kevin.

why did he list wr as one of our positions of need? it was later in the article when people were asking him questions. don't really agree with that.
We've been playing without a C all season, so we are going to just drop the position all together and run a 6 WR scheme. The petition has already been submitted to the NFL to allow this formation and a decision should be made the week after the Superbowl.
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Agreed and yet his speed reputation is a funny phenomenon. He appears fast when he runs while AJ does not but AJ is faster. Something about their stride.
I think it takes jacoby a while to get started when he gets the ball. It's almost like he has bricks as shoes. But when he gets in stride he does put the jets on. But yeah, Andre has no wasted movement, he just puts it on as soon as he gets the ball.

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Default Re: Are we seeing Jacoby Jones make a legitimate case to become the #2 WR next year?

As much as I like KW and considering our other needs I cant help but wanting Malcom Floyd.

I mean come on

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I like Jacoby's progress, but our number 2 WR needs to be able to catch balls over the middle. I still think Jacoby is too fragile for that. Keven Walter has good hands, good speed and is consistant. I rewound his missed catch as soon as it happened and while it was catchable, it was poorly thrown. Had Schaub put that ball in front of him KW would have gotten a few yards out of that play. I think slot guys historically score few times because they catch the ball in the middle in traffic. It's a good thing we have a player like AJ who can play both positions, but I like what we have right now.
I agree with this. Whether you call him 2 or 3, we need a over the middle makes tough catches guy. And AJ and JJ.

This is the first time this year that Jacoby has scored a TD that the board has not lit up with "Cut JJ NOW!" threads. Come on Jacoby haters, where are you?
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A situational number two, yes. We do need someone that can block if itís a running play, but JJ can damn near outrun everyone on the team and we need that speed. I do think JJ has redeemed himself and is becoming a legitimate receiver. With both him and AJ in at the same time, it poses a big coverage problem for opposing CBs and safeties on long passing plays.
Add OD to that equasion and you have a passing offense that is almost impossible to defend against.

My hope is that JJ doesnt revert back to last years immaturity .... falling asleep in his car at a stop light. I hope he's past all that and can keep his mind on football rather than things outside the field. Fame , money , being MrBigshot .... can do strange things to people , especially those in their early 20's .
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I am of the view that the Texans need more speed quickness from WR position not manned by andre Johnosn. Walter and Anderson are effective players, but it appears to me that all of the Texans best offensive games are when they get either JJ/Davis deep. I have the need for more speed as a fairly high priority for the Texans off-season especially since Walter is a FA.
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I am of the view that the Texans need more speed quickness from WR position not manned by andre Johnosn. Walter and Anderson are effective players, but it appears to me that all of the Texans best offensive games are when they get either JJ/Davis deep. I have the need for more speed as a fairly high priority for the Texans off-season especially since Walter is a FA.
I like david anderson as a nice 3rd wr that can run the short or intermediate route and get some yac. Walter hasnt done anything this year, but idk if jacoby is developed enough to be that 2nd wr
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I think I've raised enough hell over this issue that you all know where I stand.

The guy makes plays. You get the ball into his hands, in space, and he can break off HUGE plays. Chris Johnson is the same way--If he gets into space, he just makes defenders look silly.

You can see it in the body language of LBs and DBs when Jacoby gets the ball in space. They all slow down and try to NOT make a bad angle on him.

Do you see that being done when Walter or Anderson make a catch? Hell no, you don't. You see the defenders running those two guys down and tackling them fairly soon after the catch.

Jacoby Jones was late to a meeting, wasn't allowed to play in the Jags game, and MIGHT have made a difference for us that day. Instead, Kubiak had to inflate his artificial nuts and go "I'm A Man!" on Jacoby.

When Jacoby Jones gets the ball, he makes plays. Period.

Do we NOT need that? How many freaking seasons is it going to take before he gets played? So Gary is NOT racist, but he sure is a dumbass when it comes to making good coaching decisions.

i.e. Chris Brown fumble champion of 2009.

The sooner we get rid of Kubiak, the sooner this team can get a new head coach who knows how to lead men. Jacoby needs work on his character, I won't deny it, but there is more than one way ("I'm A Man!") to lead someone who is dragging his feet on complying with rules.

Gary Kubiak has shot himself in the foot with personnel decisions as it relates to playing the BEST players at critical times.
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