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Old 12-22-2009   #1
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3.5 sacks on the season in limited action. Only .5 from Mario's total in his rookie season. Is this kid a bust or a future investment based on what you've seen on him?
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future Investment definitely. The guy has upside, he's a physical monster...just needs a few moves to be taught and he'll be knocking heads off for a while here.
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To early for bust, potential is there. This team isn't deep enought to draft on potential in the second rd though.
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Personally, I think the kid has a bright future. I've seen some bust labels on him from some of our illustrious regulars here and that's just pathetic. The kid is a rookie on a learning curve. He has all the tangibles and intangibles to be a plus pass rusher, but is still raw. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit low double figures either next year or year after.
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3.5 sacks on the season in limited action. Only .5 from Mario's total in his rookie season. Is this kid a bust or a future investment based on what you've seen on him?
Give him 3 years and lets see if he develops into an every down player. I think he can but we will see.
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As others said, to soon to tell, but he shows good upside. We'll know more next year.

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This guy only has 2 yrs exp. as a defensive player, but he shows more drive than Okoye. I like him. He just needs more reps.
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Weird. I thought he got on in Seattle, or was that the horrendous intentional grounding call, so he didn't get it?

Regardless, he looks to be an excellent situational pass rusher. I'm not sure that was a luxury we could afford in the second round, and I'd love to see if there's a 3-4 team salivating over having him at OLB.
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To early for bust, potential is there. This team isn't deep enought to draft on potential in the second rd though.
That's where I am. This team isn't good enough to be training wheels for an OC. This team is not good enough to let up off the gas with a big lead in the second half. This team is not good enough to overcome key injuries. This team is not good enough to draft projects in early rounds yet.
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To early for bust, potential is there. This team isn't deep enought to draft on potential in the second rd though.
I don't have a prob with the Barwin pick in the 2nd round. Many 2nd rounders never make an impact. If he becomes a good situational pass rusher, then it was a successful pick. Anything better than that is a bonus.

AO, on the other hand, was drafted in a spot where he should be expected to be an immediate impact player and right now, he's not even performing to "good situational player" status. It's not AO's fault so much, every player is what he is. But, what GM in his right mind would draft him there and not know that he is a long term project at best? In other words, only the elite teams who have solid starters at AO's position should have considered drafting him as a project to take over for an aging veteran in 3-4 years.

AO's position is another concern to me. What GM could not look at him and see that he was an undersized and immature DT? Well, the Texans obviously. To me his best position may be as a 3-4 DE.
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That's where I am. This team isn't good enough to be training wheels for an OC. This team is not good enough to let up off the gas with a big lead in the second half. This team is not good enough to overcome key injuries. This team is not good enough to draft projects in early rounds yet.
This sums up well how I feel.

It's not that I feel he's been a total waste of a pick, just that he's a project pick with our second rounder who is going to see part time play for the duration of his time here unless we switch to a 3-4 defense. We could've netted a starter instead or a running back that could've helped with our running game.

I just think we could've gotten the same production out of Nading, Bulman, or even UDFA Jamison this year.

By the way it's 5.0 sacks from Mario's first season and Amobi got 5.5 sacks his first year.
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Weird. I thought he got on in Seattle, or was that the horrendous intentional grounding call, so he didn't get it?

Regardless, he looks to be an excellent situational pass rusher. I'm not sure that was a luxury we could afford in the second round, and I'd love to see if there's a 3-4 team salivating over having him at OLB.
And they would give up what for Barwin?
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That's where I am. This team isn't good enough to be training wheels for an OC. This team is not good enough to let up off the gas with a big lead in the second half. This team is not good enough to overcome key injuries. This team is not good enough to draft projects in early rounds yet.
Agreed! However, I do believe with better mentoring and game time guidance, KS would be an excellent OC.
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Default Re: Connor Barwin.....

Barwin is coming along as expected in his development. Rookie DL normally don't light up the stat sheet and add to that its his second year ever playing defense. I was very impressed with his awareness for his experience level, the example that sticks out is when he got his hands up to bat down that pass against the Rams. The play before, Pollard went to lay the wood and the QB passed right over him.

We've got a very good DE rotation for the future in Mario, Smith, Barwin, and Bulman. Add an impact DT and they will only look better
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hmmm considering that most of our losses were due to the lack of the running game.....and when last year prior to draft we knew the running game needed help in case slaton had a rough year... and the fears concerning a running game became real this year..and cost us the playoffs....I think that using that 2nd round pick on a DE was a mistake....Glenn Coffee and Shonne Green could have gotten those precious one yards that would have made the difference in the entire season.

I dont feel that Barwin has had had an impact on this team this season...not enough to warrant the use of the second round pick...we needed an impact now and not the future.Barwin is a work in progress..and from what I have seen on the boards works in progress are not what this team needs.
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Barwin is worthless in the run game so I'm wary of his long term upside. He's like ok0ye in that he isn't very good when run right at but he has some value on the backside of the play...as long as he is running free without a OL on him.
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Yeah Glen Coffee's steller 2.6 ypc would obviously have resurrected our running game. Shonn Greene maybe but it isn't just the RB's, it is 2.5 OLmen out.
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3.5 sacks on the season in limited action. Only .5 from Mario's total in his rookie season. Is this kid a bust or a future investment based on what you've seen on him?
He has a motor and is a physical specimen. The kid will see 10 sacks in his near future. Let him grow a little into the position. I believe this is only his second year to play D End, including college.
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I'm not sure why, but I haven't gained an opinion of Barwin one way or the other.
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OK first off, Mario had 4.5 sacks his first season. Everyone has had it wrong so far.

Secondly, I like Barwin. I think he's gonna be a helluva player for us in a year or so.
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