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Old 12-18-2009   #1
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I just found following info from December 9th that running back Gerhart may have decided to enter NFL draft.

12/09/09 - Stanford running back Toby Gerhart appeared to accidentally disclose his NFL plans Tuesday, and if you’re a Stanford fan, the news wasn’t good. Here’s the chronology: During a press conference Tuesday morning to discuss the Heisman Trophy, Gerhart was asked if he had made a decision on next year. (He has the option to return to school.) His response: “Not yet. I’m soaking everything in.” Asked if winning the Heisman would affect his decision, he added: “I don’t know how much correlation there is between the Heisman and your pro potential.” But during an interview with Comcast’s Chronicle Live on Tuesday, Gerhart made a reference to training for the 40-yard dash: “I’m going to start training here shortly, get ready for the (NFL Draft) Combine.” Host Greg Papa then asked if that meant Gerhart had decided to enter the draft. Seemingly flustered — like he realized he said something he shouldn’t have — Gerhart stumbled for a second … then talked briefly about making a decision after the Sun Bowl … then added: “But it’s looking like that’s the way it’s going to go.”… And that pronouncement, unofficially official as it might have been, should come as zero surprise to anyone who has watched Gerhart play this season. His stock will never be higher — he’s projected to go in the second or third round — and his body might never be healthier. Given his physical running style and the punishment he takes every carry, entering the draft (and getting that first contract) is the smart thing to do. And when the winter quarter starts next month, he’ll only be three classes short of his degree …Papa then asked the same question Gerhart got at the morning presser: Would the Heisman voting, however it goes, affect his decision to turn pro? Gerhart, having composed himself, said: “I don’t think so. It’s going to totally depend on my evaluations by the NFL.” - John Wilner, Mercury News

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Can you expand on that? Why do you think he will suck? Do you think he is another Ron Dayne?
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He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
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I'd love to see him in a Texan uni.

I was really impressed the few times I saw him in action.


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He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
I don't think he is going to have any more trouble protecting the ball than any other RB in the NFL. He is as sound as it gets carrying the football, like most great backs who refuse to go down on contact is when he can gets in uncompromising positions but I'm not changing that it's what makes him special.
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He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.

I haven't seen any ball carrying issues with Gerhart but otherwise agree with your assessment of him. I'd take him in the 3rd round if still available but no earlier and I agree let's fix the O-line first or no RB is going anywhere. We need to fix CB and FS as well.
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This is the first I have heard of ball security issues. I watched 4 games or so, and did not see any fumbles. He protects the ball going up the middle, and switches it to the outside hand along the sidelines.

Gerhart is my favorite back in the draft, closely followed by Dwyer. They are both pounding runners, Dwyer with more speed, but I think Gerhart has the edge in agility. I have seen some surprising cutbacks from him, considering he size.

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He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
this is a very correctable issue, and has nothing to do with his ability as a runningback, basically.
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He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.
If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
That applies to almost every Rb, WR and QB in college football. We never would have drafted Slaton. I think high school coaches and most college coaches are so happy with a guy that can gain yardage that they do not focus on ball handling. How many fumbles did Gerhart have in his career?
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He runs standing up, kind of like Chris Brown.
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That applies to almost every Rb, WR and QB in college football. We never would have drafted Slaton. I think high school coaches and most college coaches are so happy with a guy that can gain yardage that they do not focus on ball handling. How many fumbles did Gerhart have in his career?
0 fumbles in 677 touches in 4 years.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188524

That said, Slaton had 0 fumbles in his 3 years at West Virginia
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=174468
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Gerhart needs to have great Bowl/all star games and a great combine. Or he will be drafted in the 3/4 rd. IMO

The reason for this is two fold
1. Injury issues (He's had knee surgery)
2. The dumb graduation rules, He will miss all of the OTA's due to the fact his class at Stanford doesn't graduate until after OTA's are finished. Therefore he'll be beind most of the other rookies in this class. (Remember Brandon Harrison)

Dwyer is my favorite RB in this class. Followed by Ryan Matthews (more speed) but Gerhart is in the same class as them. IMO

Hardesty is my sleeper RB in this class.

This class is a weak class overall. (No Depth) IMO
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0 fumbles in 677 touches in 4 years.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188524

That said, Slaton had 0 fumbles in his 3 years at West Virginia
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=174468
That is impressive considering his running style and how many hits he takes.
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Gerhart needs to have great Bowl/all star games and a great combine. Or he will be drafted in the 3/4 rd. IMO

The reason for this is two fold
1. Injury issues (He's had knee surgery)
2. The dumb graduation rules, He will miss all of the OTA's due to the fact his class at Stanford doesn't graduate until after OTA's are finished. Therefore he'll be beind most of the other rookies in this class. (Remember Brandon Harrison)

Dwyer is my favorite RB in this class. Followed by Ryan Matthews (more speed) but Gerhart is in the same class as them. IMO

Hardesty is my sleeper RB in this class.

This class is a weak class overall. (No Depth) IMO
Nope, he graduates this semester. He crammed in some hours so he could prepare for the combine. He is done with school.
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He runs standing up, kind of like Chris Brown.
Do you watch? Power backs cannot run standing up, or else they could not be great power backs. Gerhart knows how to get low to take on the hits, that is why it takes 2, 3, 4 guys to take him down.
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My guess at this point is that if Glen coffee can go before the Texans pick in the 3rd round, a player with size and dynamic production like Gerhart will go before that point. If i were to guess, i would think he between late first and mid-2nd.
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He is just like Ron Dayne. Watch videos of Ron in college and Toby they are both basically the same. It just goes to show speed kills in the NFL. Most teams have a complete runner who can run the ball in any given situation. Why would you want to take a guy out on 3rd and 1 when he is hot? Best examples of these complete backs are.

Brandon Jacobs
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I just want the Texans to get a back that can come through on any given play.
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He is just like Ron Dayne. Watch videos of Ron in college and Toby they are both basically the same. It just goes to show speed kills in the NFL. Most teams have a complete runner who can run the ball in any given situation. Why would you want to take a guy out on 3rd and 1 when he is hot? Best examples of these complete backs are.

Brandon Jacobs
Steven Jackson
Brian Westbrook when he was not hurt
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I just want the Texans to get a back that can come through on any given play.
You made my point. Brandon Jacobs ran between a 4.51 and a 4.56, well within the range Gerhart is expected to run. You dont need 4.3 speed to be a stud back. A lot of it is agility, intuition and determination.

Steven Jackson ran a 4.55, again where Gerhart is supposed to be.
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He is just like Ron Dayne. Watch videos of Ron in college and Toby they are both basically the same. It just goes to show speed kills in the NFL. Most teams have a complete runner who can run the ball in any given situation. Why would you want to take a guy out on 3rd and 1 when he is hot? Best examples of these complete backs are.

Brandon Jacobs
Steven Jackson
Brian Westbrook when he was not hurt
Adrian Peterson
and many more

I just want the Texans to get a back that can come through on any given play.

Actaully, Wisconson has a back who is almost exactly Ron Dayne by the name of John Clay. He is around 6'2 245-250 and does not run as tough as his size suggests although he is fine once he gets ahead of steam. If Clay comes out he probably is another 2nd maybe 3rd round possiblity.
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