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Old 12-07-2009   #1
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Who will win it?

Who should win it?

The announcement of invites headed to NY is today, found a nice breakdown here http://blogs.mercurynews.com/college...sman-what-now/ but it sure seems wide open to me. From a pro-prospect angle Suh is ranked #1 but since when did that matter? That last pass from Colt with time running out blew it for him, IMO, Tebow has been great for the College game but really looks like he's topped out, Bradford out with shoulder, leaving three viable RB's Ingram, Spiller & Gerhart.
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It should be Ndamukong Suh, DT - Nebraska.

Here is an article on that topic:

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I imagine Ingram edges McCoy. Not only did Colt have a subpar statistical game Saturday, I think there's a bit of anti-Texas sentiment right now that will influence voters to punish McCoy for Texas making the Championship game.

Too bad...if either the dropped sure long touchdown reception or the fumble on what appeared to be a game clinching drive had not happened, I think Colt still wins.
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I imagine Ingram edges McCoy. Not only did Colt have a subpar statistical game Saturday, I think there's a bit of anti-Texas sentiment right now that will influence voters to punish McCoy for Texas making the Championship game.

Too bad...if either the dropped sure long touchdown reception or the fumble on what appeared to be a game clinching drive had not happened, I think Colt still wins.
My vote exactly...
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Should be Ndamukong Suh, but it won't be. I doubt he is even invited.

After Suh, Toby Gerhart. I doubt he wins either.

After Gerhart, Ingram.
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Is Barack Obama being considered for this award?

To those who would say that Obama has done nothing to justify consideration for this award, I would note that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize even though he had done nothing to justify receiving that award either.

Perhaps this is just the year of Barack Obama and it is his destiny to win the Heisman trophy. Go Barack!
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Is Barack Obama being considered for this award?

To those who would say that Obama has done nothing to justify consideration for this award, I would note that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize even though he had done nothing to justify receiving that award either.

Perhaps this is just the year of Barack Obama and it is his destiny to win the Heisman trophy. Go Barack!
There is a sub forum for political talk. Go argue over there about that.
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I think Suh, Gerhart, Ingram and McCoy will get the invite.

I hope Suh wins, but I think Gerhart or McCoy will get it.

Ingram being a sophmore hurts his case IMO.
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Suh should win it, but he won't.
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Is Barack Obama being considered for this award?

To those who would say that Obama has done nothing to justify consideration for this award, I would note that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize even though he had done nothing to justify receiving that award either.

Perhaps this is just the year of Barack Obama and it is his destiny to win the Heisman trophy. Go Barack!
thanks for explaining the joke, it was really difficult to understand with your thorough analysis!
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It should be Ndamukong Suh, DT - Nebraska.

Here is an article on that topic:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-ndamukong-suh
This. It's for the best playefr in the country. Not the best player on the highest ranked team. I bet Obama shocks us in the end though.
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Who the hell cares?

The last Heisman winner to do anything worthy of lasting note in the NFL was Barry Sanders.

Like a Grammy, People's Choice Award, or NFL All Pro pick (or the Nobel Prize frankly), the Heisman means next to nothing.

You can tell who is going to be great all on your own. There's no reason to let Wendy's and ESPN make up your mind for you.

The problem with Suh btw is that he wasn't pimped from the start. Heismans are handed out for promotional efforts as much as individual talent these days. Showtime and I got into it wrt UT buying refs yesterday, but here is an area that I'm sure he and I can completely agree on. Big Schools buy the Heisman. Nebraska probably has the resources to pimp the hell out of a defender and get his face plastered on TV all year, but they didn't. The real losers in Heisman discussions are players for schools without the PR departments capable of getting their name out there. These players are relegated to regional obscurity as only alumni and reporter from their area know what they are witnessing.

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ask yourself one question: who, of all the names being mentioned, would you put on ANY team in the country, and would still look like the most dominant player in the country?

that's obviously Ndamukong Suh. he's had one of the best years ever for a defensive player, he performed at his absolute best in the biggest game he's ever played in against the best team he's faced, with one of the best o-lines in the country, despite being double-teamed all game.

he's a DT who leads his team in tackles. he's in the top 10 in the country in passes defended, and no other non-defensive back is even in the top 100. there's no doubt he's the best player in the country, and even people who won't vote for him will probably agree. but, he's not on a team that's going to the BCS, and he's not an offensive flashy player, so he won't win it.

however, he might just make it to New York. and hopefully his incredible play and glaring omission from the award will shine a light on the voting process and media and fan pressure will force voters to really start looking at defensive players in the future. people like to point to Charles Woodson as being a defensive player, but to the voters, he was more of an offensive and special teams threat on the #1 team in the country.

after Suh, CJ Spiller is probably the second best player in the country. like Suh, he had an amazing year, and stepped up when it absolutely mattered the most. he was a force in the ACC Championship.

Ingram and Gerhart are neck and neck for me, with Eric Berry close behind those guys. so, my final list is:

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. CJ Spiller
3. Mark Ingram
4. Toby Gerhart
5. Eric Berry
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Who the hell cares?

The last Heisman winner to do anything worthy of lasting note in the NFL was Barry Sanders.
the Heisman has nothing to do with the NFL.
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the Heisman has nothing to do with the NFL.
The Heisman is a popularity contest. It doesn't say a damn thing about an individual player's talent. Their general failure in the NFL is prima facie evidence of this.
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Suh
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Ingram

Suh wont win because he plays defense.
Gerhart wont win because nobody cares about Stanford
Ingram will win because he plays in the SEC
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Suh should win it, but he won't.
I agree.
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Is this strickly a media award?

some love for the defensive guys - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-InrEULc4
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Is this strickly a media award?

some love for the defensive guys - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-InrEULc4
Sort of. The media plays a huge part in it.

But I think it is about major schools wanting to stay relevant. If you can't win a NC, than getting a Heisman Winner is going to at least ensure that you continue getting top level talent. So you pour millions into promotional campaigns for a player. You mail gifts to every member of the media and every Heisman voter. Big schools have made it impossible for other players to get mentioned. They are blocking them out, same as in the BCS.
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For me, it's Suh then everyone else. The guy was unbelievable the entire year.
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