Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-28-2005   #21
WildBlackBear32
All Pro
 
WildBlackBear32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Maine
Age: 27
Posts: 967
Rep Power: 10 WildBlackBear32 is a team player
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
I bet LT didn't go to week 10 before having his very FIRST 11+ yard run. The season is over by then if that is all you get out of your backs in a conservative running offense.
YPC is a far more telling stat about a player than Longest Run. Just ask Emmitt Smith.
WildBlackBear32 is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #22
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,668
Rep Power: 133798 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBlackBear32
YPC is a far more telling stat about a player than Longest Run. Just ask Emmitt Smith.
Dom's ypc in our first 10 games last year was 2.8 (a pitiful avg btw). No need to ask Emmitt about that.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #23
WildBlackBear32
All Pro
 
WildBlackBear32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Maine
Age: 27
Posts: 967
Rep Power: 10 WildBlackBear32 is a team player
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
Dom's ypc in our first 10 games last year was 2.8 (a pitiful avg btw). No need to ask Emmitt about that.
Shrug, either way, I'm not giving up on a projected 1950 yd back.
WildBlackBear32 is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #24
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,668
Rep Power: 133798 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Who says I'm "giving up" on Dom? I'm just throwing facts on the table. We are a running team and if you don't think we will add a back to enhance our offense and give it more stability I think you are not paying attention to what kind of team we are shaping.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #25
WildBlackBear32
All Pro
 
WildBlackBear32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Maine
Age: 27
Posts: 967
Rep Power: 10 WildBlackBear32 is a team player
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
Who says I'm "giving up" on Dom? I'm just throwing facts on the table. We are a running team and if you don't think we will add a back to enhance our offense and give it more stability I think you are not paying attention to what kind of team we are shaping.
We have a total of SIX runningbacks that are ALL under 25 years of age.Within the top 3 you have a 1950 yard guy(DD), an "OK" backup(Wells) and a guy who had 9 teams look at to select in the supplemental draft and he lead the nation in rushing until his knee gave out in college(Hollings).It would be absolutely rediculous to sign/draft/acquire a top RB in the next 3-5 years.
WildBlackBear32 is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #26
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,668
Rep Power: 133798 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

We could have 50 players but that doesn't mean any of them are elite NFL backs. What we have is one guy who is a nice player but wildly inconsistent in Davis, a 2nd round project that hasn't been able to stay on the field in two years in Hollings, and Wells, who runs soft and really can't do much more than play special teams and fill in here and there. As a group we don't have much at the RB spot other than an inconsistent back and some scrubs.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #27
rittenhouserobz
Hall of Fame
 
rittenhouserobz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,100
Rep Power: 12 rittenhouserobz is ridin' the pine
Send a message via Yahoo to rittenhouserobz
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBlackBear32
True, 1000 yards isnt much, however his projected numbers from last season would be 1300 yards, not 1000. Not to mention 650 receiving yards.A 1950 total yard back aint too shabby, IMO.Let's not forget he was 4th in TDs last season. Some may say goalline back, however 6 points is 6 points anyway you slice it.

Oh and you'll definetly hear me screaming on draft day if we take Ronnie Brown. Not screaming of joy however. There's no need to add another runningback when we dont have a single RB on the roster even 25 years old.
What if we traded DD for an early 2nd round pick. Like say Miami. Who could use a RB, but is almost forced to go QB in the 1st. What happens if they don't get a RB in FA? The main reason I watch the draft is for the twists and turns that it has.
__________________
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Ben Franklin
rittenhouserobz is offline  
Sponsored links
Old 02-28-2005   #28
WildBlackBear32
All Pro
 
WildBlackBear32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Maine
Age: 27
Posts: 967
Rep Power: 10 WildBlackBear32 is a team player
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rittenhouserobz
What if we traded DD for an early 2nd round pick. Like say Miami. Who could use a RB, but is almost forced to go QB in the 1st. What happens if they don't get a RB in FA? The main reason I watch the draft is for the twists and turns that it has.
Couple things...

1.You wont get an early 2nd rounder for Davis. Late second, Early 3rd TOPS. Not to mention Miami doesnt have a 2nd round pick.

2.The FA/Trade market is DEEP in RBs.Jordan, Rudi Johnson*, Henry, Edge*, Larry Johnson/Blalock. The problem nowadays is there are too many good RBs AVAILABLE and not enough teams needing them.

3.If we DO for some odd reason or another trade DD, the team STILL has WAY bigger holes to fill. You start out with the fact we have absolutely no NTs under contract.
WildBlackBear32 is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #29
shinerbock_girl
Hall of Fame
 
shinerbock_girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 2,256
Rep Power: 15 shinerbock_girl was voted MVPshinerbock_girl was voted MVPshinerbock_girl was voted MVPshinerbock_girl was voted MVP
Send a message via MSN to shinerbock_girl Send a message via Yahoo to shinerbock_girl
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by texansfan88
To anyone that doubts DD, 12 touchdowns speak for themselves
God i hope we don't lose DD. I don't even want to think about losing him to someone else. He's young, strong, fast and i think this season hes going to be even better.
shinerbock_girl is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #30
Sarg01
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Age: 38
Posts: 1,152
Rep Power: 12 Sarg01 is a Pro BowlerSarg01 is a Pro Bowler
Default

I'm back to being a Davis fan. I really like how he stepped up to remove the fumblitis from his game.

In my opinion, those fumbles in the first two games are what killed his production for the first half of the season. Injury may have played a part, but it was clear he was running scared of trying to make the big play for much of the season. Capers probably threatened to stick him back on special teams. After he got his confidence back, we saw his real game - and it looked good.

I'm also not convinced there were a lot of real injury problems with Davis this year. Back in week 4, I felt that Davis was being pulled as the fumbles had convinced us that maybe Hollings would be a better choice and this (siezing on minor/trivial injury) was a good way to get him time without a 'controversy'.
Sarg01 is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #31
Fiddy
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Houston/Austin
Age: 26
Posts: 4,314
Rep Power: 18 Fiddy was voted MVPFiddy was voted MVPFiddy was voted MVPFiddy was voted MVP
Send a message via AIM to Fiddy Send a message via MSN to Fiddy Send a message via Yahoo to Fiddy
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansTrueFan
sorry fiddy but how many "goal line" backs rush for 1,188 yards in a season ?? Hasnt he shown you he can be a featured back ? i guess he'll have to go and pass emitt smiths rushing record and then maybe just maybe you will say he is a featured back !
I said Davis was an excellent goal line back. That statement has nothing to do with him being the featured back. He does an excellent job getting the ball into the endzone from the 1 yard line. How did you turn that around. texanfan88 said that Davis' 13 TDs speak for themselves. I was merely pointing out that 10 out of his 13 TDs came from 2 yards or less out. 10 out of 13. That means he is a excellent goal line back.

But if you're going to turn around my statement: Ten 2 yards or less TDs dont make you a featured back.
__________________

'Anyone ready to go outside so I can make you look bad?' - Matt Schaub talking to the DBs
Fiddy is offline  
Old 02-28-2005   #32
Dannyboy81
Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Marcos Texas
Age: 33
Posts: 14
Rep Power: 0 Dannyboy81 is ridin' the pine
Default

The Texans better sign him now rather then later. Since his ball security, injuries, and consistency has been an issue all of that could play an aspect for resigning him now for a reasonable amount of money for maybe a 2-4 year deal (with an option to opt out if he reaches some incentives ala Jerry Porter from Oak.). I say this because if he has a real good season he's goning to want to get paid. It would be better for the Texans to sign him now and pay him alot less money now then a ridiculous contract later!! The option to opt out of the contract will give him some saying into searching his options (hopefully after a few good seasons) and let us evaluate his production. If hes doing good be then then the Texans should keep him. If not . . . . . well, you know what they'll do.
__________________
Dannyboy81
Dannyboy81 is offline  
Old 03-11-2005   #33
Holden135
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 32
Posts: 249
Rep Power: 10 Holden135 is a team player
Default Why is everyone giving up on Davis at RB

It seems as though a lot of people are ready to send this guy to the bench. I don't believe he is anywhere near being our problem on offense. He has had two solid years so far. No he hasnt been pro bowl calliber or extremely consistent but he has shown big game potential especially near the end of the year. I think the offensive line as well as a lack of good play calling has limited him from having a great season. I dont think bringing in Edge or drafting a rb first round is a good idea. Who is to say the line wont bring them down to. I think our number one priority must be to solidify the o-line and the other parts that revolve around a good running game.
Holden135 is offline  
Old 03-11-2005   #34
TexansTrueFan
Hall of Fame
 
TexansTrueFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Huntsville Tx
Age: 29
Posts: 2,600
Rep Power: 12 TexansTrueFan is a team player
Send a message via Yahoo to TexansTrueFan
Default

HAHA i agree with you, our o-line could make LT or even Priest Holmes look bad. Davis is a solid running back who is very talented running the ball our catching it out of the back field and making things happen ! Sure he had a rough start to the season but still managed to rush for over 1150 yrds. I see him as our main guy for years to come i see a great TRIO in Carr, Davis, and Johnnson !!!

(Davis over 1800 yrs in 2005)
TexansTrueFan is offline  
Old 03-11-2005   #35
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sugar Land, Texas
Age: 31
Posts: 5,792
Rep Power: 10214 STEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

WOW! 1800 yrs? That's a long time.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS is offline  
Old 03-11-2005   #36
Dionysus22
Veteran
 
Dionysus22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Mo. City, TX
Age: 34
Posts: 227
Rep Power: 10 Dionysus22 is ridin' the pine
Default

I totally agree! He's almost like Emmitt Smith when he first came in. No one wanted him coming out of college cuz they said he was too small. Then when the Cowboys got a better line he blew up. I see them as almost the same back. DD has a little more power but Emmitt has him on break away speed. and both have great hands coming out of the back field.
Dionysus22 is offline  
Old 03-11-2005   #37
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sugar Land, Texas
Age: 31
Posts: 5,792
Rep Power: 10214 STEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

DD is a serviceable RB. He is an average starter and nothing more.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS is offline  
Old 03-11-2005   #38
TexansTrueFan
Hall of Fame
 
TexansTrueFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Huntsville Tx
Age: 29
Posts: 2,600
Rep Power: 12 TexansTrueFan is a team player
Send a message via Yahoo to TexansTrueFan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBlackBear32
DD is an absolutely fantastic back to have. I'll even go as far to say hes a top 7 all-around runningback(in terms of rushing AND recieving). With that said, I REALLY hope Hollings starts to get more carries. He was a guy everyone had pegged in as a mid-to-late 1st rounder the year before his draft year and his huge injury.I say phase Wells out all together, slide Hollings into about 30% of the snaps while letting DD rest while Hollings is in there.Works well for both backs as it keeps DD fresh and gives Hollings more touches/downs.

some people question D.D durability and you want holling to get a start ?? I mean come on he will get maybe 3 rushes before he bites the dust again and is out for the remained of the season. Lets face it some guys arent cut out for the NFL. Plus this team has payed him for $$$$ and WHAT has he done for us ? D.D is the starter and should be given a NICE contract a few games into next season, before his value goes way up and he costs to much !
TexansTrueFan is offline  
Old 03-11-2005   #39
gg no re
iggnorent
 
gg no re's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Age: 28
Posts: 4,800
Rep Power: 28360 gg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respectedgg no re is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
DD is a serviceable RB. He is an average starter and nothing more.
1000 yards for 2 seasons behind a subpar oline.

By your statement, Rudi Johnson is not a good back either.

Oh yeah, I think DD is a better receiver too.....
gg no re is online now  
Old 03-11-2005   #40
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sugar Land, Texas
Age: 31
Posts: 5,792
Rep Power: 10214 STEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respectedSTEEL BLUE TEXANS is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Rudi Johnson is ok too, nothing special. He is better than DD though.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS is offline  
Closed Thread

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger