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Old 03-11-2005   #201
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... i love it when i read a whole thread, formulate a position/argument, and right before i look for the 'post reply' button i read one of 'caks posts that expresses my own view. saves my hands from carpul tunnel, usually sounds more eloquent, more effective stats and he pulls much more respect on these boards than myself ...great minds DO think alike ...

p.s. DOMANICK DAVIS RULES!!!!1!ONE1!1ONE!!1!
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haha yeah he does put things into great perspective, and the stats he throws out there should be good enough to convince any D.D doubters. but theres always the hard headed select few who wont budge (steel Blue)
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Message boards are no fun when everyone agrees with everything.
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i can agree with that. if we all agreed wouldnt be much of a disscusion !
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Infantrycak is always tough to argue with because he always comes with facts and well thought out postions. I happen to think Dom is a good 3rd down back and really isn't suited to be an every down starter myself. No denying he can put up some good numbers when not nicked up...but that is a part of the formula in the NFL that you cannot discount. It's a tough game. I'd like to see us cut his touches way back so we may be able to get him to play at a high level for 16 games + playoffs instead of 5-6 games a year at full strength.
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yeah i really dont think he has durability issues. I mean he had 2 good first games (despite the fumbles). than was knicked up for a few games, came back into the mix, and was kinda inconsistent (o-line) and at the end of the season the final 3 games the o-line seemed to play better and he seemed to be more patient while running the ball, which is what ya need when ya have zone blocking !
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I agree with vinny.. when healthy dom is solid (not great) but when nicked up , it shows really bad
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I agree with vinny.. when healthy dom is solid (not great) but when nicked up , it shows really bad

of course it shows bad, you ever get a sprang ankle and try to run on it ??? Not the easiest thing in the world to do.
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thing that troubles me is when Davis rushes for 100 yards and we lose.. I don't have the Texans win/loss record when he does that,but I know we lose.. Now it isn't Davis' fault on that, he did is job,but it seems that the defense gives those yards up in order to keep the clamps on AJ and not allow the deep pass.
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Just to fill in a little more--Faulks' yards came on 603 attempts for an average of 3.9 ypc. Davis has 540 attempts and an average of 4.1 ypc. Faulks' longest runs of his 1st two years were 52 and 40. Davis' longest runs were 51 and 44. Something else to note--Faulk never averaged over 4.1 ypc in a season until he left Indy (Davis averaged 4.3 ypc last year). His running in Indy did not impress them so much that they did not let him go. Of course then in St. Louis he has three years of at least 5.3 ypc. Was Marshall Faulk just a 3rd down back in the wrong role, not a franchise back, etc. in Indy? Did his talent suddenly explode in his 6th year in the league? Of course not--he went from a team where his full potential was not displayed to one where it was.

It is much harder to do, but the only fair way to judge a back is how is he doing with what he is given. Just a blind look at the stats is not an accurate reflection of ability (injuries are a whole nuther issue). There should be zero argument that DD has had below average blocking for his 1st two years. To see how that affects even great backs compare Clinton Portis in Denver and in Washington or compare LaDainian Tomlinson 2003 to 2004 where he dropped 1.4 ypc from his average as the OL entirely changed and was better at pass protection than run blocking. The blocking doesn't just affect ypc, it affects big plays as well. Clinton Portis 24 runs over 20 yards in two years with the Broncos vs. 5 last season with the Skins. LaDainian Tomlinson 2002--12 runs over 20 with a long of 76, 2003--12 runs over 20 with a long of 73, 2004--6 runs over 20 with a long of 42. All the pieces on the O have to work together and we will never know or see the potential of DD, Carr or AJ until the OL can do at least an average NFL job of both run blocking and pass blocking.
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na i think the stat is when he rushes for 2 or more tds we lose.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason Davis is our starter is because there is nobody better than him on the team at this time...

If we have any opportunity to upgrade the position, then we should, because, the way I see it, DD is in the bottom 1/3 of the league's starting RBs...
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason Davis is our starter is because there is nobody better than him on the team at this time...

If we have any opportunity to upgrade the position, then we should, because, the way I see it, DD is in the bottom 1/3 of the league's starting RBs...
I wouldn't say bottom third maybe 10-15
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ACTUALLY i have football pro magazine that puts Davis at no# 8 among all nfl running backs !
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3-5 record when DD rushes for 100+
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ACTUALLY i have football pro magazine that puts Davis at no# 8 among all nfl running backs !
(Honest question) You sure it isnt talking for fantasy football???
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funny how the point of views change..

Wells ... stinks
DD ... very good.

yet Wells didn't have an OL the first year and struggled.. 3 years later when DD goes down.. wells averaged about the same as DD.. yet wells still stinks (in some eyes) and DD is very good.

I am not a Wells "homer" yet I find it funny the excuses that come up with if DD doesn't do well .. it is because the OL didn't block .. yet Wells was judged on his talent alone and has that label now..
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haha no fiddy its not talking fantasy football, even though they do have a Fantasy football section, and he is really high on their scales as well !!! The are talking top RB overall in the nfl and he's no. 8,,,last season they had him at no# 14, he's moved up !
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haha no fiddy its not talking fantasy football, even though they do have a Fantasy football section, and he is really high on their scales as well !!! The are talking top RB overall in the nfl and he's no. 8,,,last season they had him at no# 14, he's moved up !
Can you please post that list.
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I'll admit DD is a good fantasy back, because he gets a lot of catches, but honestly, I'd rather have a RB with stone hands and a dynamic TE than a RB with decent hands and no TE...
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