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Old 11-28-2009   #1
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Default Chrons Solomon wonders: Was Kubiak coaching poorly or coaching scared ?

When Matt Schaub crawled to his right to center the ball in the final seconds against the Titans on Monday night, most were stunned. That's not how any coach with sense plays that. Not from that far out. Field goals from 49 yards aren't gimmies.
Not to mention that earlier this month, Kubiak said his kicker doesn't need the ball centered because “he's pretty good from everywhere.”
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Don't you find it curious that in what some of you thought were the two “most important games in franchise history,” Kubiak made choices he had never made before in the final seconds?
Coaching scared.
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When Matt Schaub crawled to his right to center the ball in the final seconds against the Titans on Monday night, most were stunned. That's not how any coach with sense plays that. Not from that far out. Field goals from 49 yards aren't gimmies.
Not to mention that earlier this month, Kubiak said his kicker doesn't need the ball centered because “he's pretty good from everywhere.”
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Don't you find it curious that in what some of you thought were the two “most important games in franchise history,” Kubiak made choices he had never made before in the final seconds?
Coaching scared.
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As much as I like Kubiak, that's why I say we need a coach with cojones.
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Coaching with head up his anal orifice is my vote.
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As much as I like Kubiak, that's why I say we need a coach with cojones.
If he would've just sent Brown out there with 8 seconds to go, we wouldn't be having this conversation. A lot of coaches would have simply done that. Brown has plenty of leg. There was no issue with a 49 yarder. That being said, I think Kubiak still struggles a little bit managing the clock. But, I just don't see a problem with what he did there.

What if they threw a slant to Walter for 8 yards and he got down with 3-4 seconds left.... but, the Titans swarmed around him but didn't touch him, waiting for the clock to run out. This isn't college and the play isn't over just because the player is on the ground.
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We had one timeout left and the Titans just can't restrain thereselves from hitting a Texan. It just wouldn't happen that way.
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Texans clock management is unacceptably poor.
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If he would've just sent Brown out there with 8 seconds to go, we wouldn't be having this conversation. A lot of coaches would have simply done that. Brown has plenty of leg. There was no issue with a 49 yarder. That being said, I think Kubiak still struggles a little bit managing the clock. But, I just don't see a problem with what he did there.

What if they threw a slant to Walter for 8 yards and he got down with 3-4 seconds left.... but, the Titans swarmed around him but didn't touch him, waiting for the clock to run out. This isn't college and the play isn't over just because the player is on the ground.
You mean what happened to Slaton to end the first half ?
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Kubiak got Brown into a position where he could succeed. Considering the Texans offensive line, there was no good reason to be more aggressive in that situation. Second guessing Kubiak is fine, but not in this instance.
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Kubiak got Brown into a position where he could succeed. Considering the Texans offensive line, there was no good reason to be more aggressive in that situation. Second guessing Kubiak is fine, but not in this instance.
I have to agree - Take a sack in that situation and you are out of FG range -

Slaton has been putting the ball on the ground - Brown fumbled in the endzone earlier in the season.

Two weeks in a row the offense has put the team in position to take a game to OT only to miss FG's. I dont think its time to blow this team up. They just need to learn to make those 1-2 plays a game that make the difference between a W and an L. Considering they are one of (if not the) youngest teams in the NFL - Experience may be the best teacher ....
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I have to agree - Take a sack in that situation and you are out of FG range -

Slaton has been putting the ball on the ground - Brown fumbled in the endzone earlier in the season.

Two weeks in a row the offense has put the team in position to take a game to OT only to miss FG's. I dont think its time to blow this team up. They just need to learn to make those 1-2 plays a game that make the difference between a W and an L. Considering they are one of (if not the) youngest teams in the NFL - Experience may be the best teacher ....
IF the team is too young to make these types of plays that the coaches/FOs fault. Kubiak has been here for 4 years, this is his personnel. If he needs veteran leadership on the field in crucial situations (I think he does) he should've told Rick Smith to find some in FA.
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Kubiak got Brown into a position where he could succeed. Considering the Texans offensive line, there was no good reason to be more aggressive in that situation. Second guessing Kubiak is fine, but not in this instance.
Unless of course you want a chance to win in regulation time.
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Default Re: Chrons Solomon wonders: Was Kubiak coaching poorly or coaching scared ?

Brown make the field goal and we tie it up. got to OT and we win, everyone says YEAH.. if we lost in OT, we'd second guess something else. just human nature.

I think that he did the right thing, center the ball and let brown kick it.


I don't know what has gotten into the texans ST this year.


we are 11-17 this season.


I don't know how many of his kicks were blocked

I do know in the first colts game he a 50 yarder blocked earlier in the game only to get nullified by a time out by the Colts, then he made it
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IF the team is too young to make these types of plays that the coaches/FOs fault. Kubiak has been here for 4 years, this is his personnel. If he needs veteran leadership on the field in crucial situations (I think he does) he should've told Rick Smith to find some in FA.

We have seen improvement from this team each year - If this young team is allowed to learn these lessons on the field - and kept together - there is the potential for long term success. They could (should) become contenders for the next 6-7 years.


You dont build a winning orginization overnight nor by having a revolving door for coaches or players.
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We have seen improvement from this team each year - If this young team is allowed to learn these lessons on the field - and kept together - there is the potential for long term success. They could (should) become contenders for the next 6-7 years.


You dont build a winning orginization overnight nor by having a revolving door for coaches or players.
We went 8-8 back to back...that's not an improvement where it counts.

Does it take half a decade to turn a team into a contender? Kubiak has had 4 years and has his personnel on the field. Its his fault if his players are too young to know how to win a football game in crunch time, he should've added veteran leadership that could hold the youngster's hands while they play. If Kubiak can get this team to the playoffs I am all for him staying, but after 4 years and the only result is the team improving from terrible to average....there needs to be a change at the top.

Cardinals' HC Ken Whisenhunt (another first time HC...there goes that excuse Kubiak) has been to a SB and he inherited one of football's worst all time franchises AFTER Kubiak became HC for the Texans.

Sparano, Smith, and Harbaugh took their teams to the playoffs their first year on the job as an HC. If Kubiak has had 4 years and still no playoffs I dont care how much "closer" the losses are...we still haven't improved as much as we needed to in order to get to the playoffs which means we need to make a change at the top.
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We went 8-8 back to back...that's not an improvement where it counts.

Does it take half a decade to turn a team into a contender? Kubiak has had 4 years and has his personnel on the field. Its his fault if his players are too young to know how to win a football game in crunch time, he should've added veteran leadership that could hold the youngster's hands while they play. If Kubiak can get this team to the playoffs I am all for him staying, but after 4 years and the only result is the team improving from terrible to average....there needs to be a change at the top.

Cardinals' HC Ken Whisenhunt (another first time HC...there goes that excuse Kubiak) has been to a SB and he inherited one of football's worst all time franchises AFTER Kubiak became HC for the Texans.

Sparano, Smith, and Harbaugh took their teams to the playoffs their first year on the job as an HC. If Kubiak has had 4 years and still no playoffs I dont care how much "closer" the losses are...we still haven't improved as much as we needed to in order to get to the playoffs which means we need to make a change at the top.
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We went 8-8 back to back...that's not an improvement where it counts.

Does it take half a decade to turn a team into a contender? Kubiak has had 4 years and has his personnel on the field. Its his fault if his players are too young to know how to win a football game in crunch time, he should've added veteran leadership that could hold the youngster's hands while they play. If Kubiak can get this team to the playoffs I am all for him staying, but after 4 years and the only result is the team improving from terrible to average....there needs to be a change at the top.

Cardinals' HC Ken Whisenhunt (another first time HC...there goes that excuse Kubiak) has been to a SB and he inherited one of football's worst all time franchises AFTER Kubiak became HC for the Texans.
Sparano, Smith, and Harbaugh took their teams to the playoffs their first year on the job as an HC. If Kubiak has had 4 years and still no playoffs I dont care how much "closer" the losses are...we still haven't improved as much as we needed to in order to get to the playoffs which means we need to make a change at the top.

1. The Texans might reach the superbowl if they were in the NFC, particularly in the NFC West.

2. And, perhaps the Texans win the division if Peyton Manning goes down in week one with a torn ACL, like Brady did.
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I have to agree - Take a sack in that situation and you are out of FG range -

Slaton has been putting the ball on the ground - Brown fumbled in the endzone earlier in the season.

Two weeks in a row the offense has put the team in position to take a game to OT only to miss FG's. I dont think its time to blow this team up. They just need to learn to make those 1-2 plays a game that make the difference between a W and an L. Considering they are one of (if not the) youngest teams in the NFL - Experience may be the best teacher ....
I agree with your take. But I don't agree with supporting Kubiak's decision.

I think one of the biggest problems HWSNBN had with his development , was that he was being taught not to to be stupid, instead of being taught how to succeed.

Same thing with our defense. We are now allowing our guys to play the game, & make plays, instead of playing not to lose.

I think we've played better to close out the last two seasons, because we had nothing to lose. Now that the games mean something... Kubiak is going to have to make these kind of decisions more often.

He's in a no win situation, because if we miss that field goal, or fumble the ball on the one, he'll be crucified.

But he can't stop putting our guys in position to win. We can't start playing not to lose.

I'm fine with a field goal, but if we finished the game with a time-out left, I can't agree with "centering" the ball. We'd have been better off getting the ball down the field.
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We went 8-8 back to back...that's not an improvement where it counts.

Does it take half a decade to turn a team into a contender? Kubiak has had 4 years and has his personnel on the field.
This is year 4. Kubiak has had 3 years, and 5/8ths of a season. We are 5-5 with a manageable schedule and this team is playing very well overall.
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Gary's just not the guy. I'm sorry because I like him, believe absolutely that he's trying as hard as he can, and really wanted the man to succeed. He's an excellent offensive coordinator but I haven't seen nearly enough growth as a head coach in him to make me think we'll be better off keeping him.

He's a white, offensive minded version of the Bengals Marvin Lewis and if you keep him for 7 years like the Bengals have kept Lewis he'll reward you with something very much like Lewis's career .505 record.

This is where an aggressive owner would come in handy. This is when said aggressive owner would be talking behind the scenes with someone like Bill Cowher right now and be prepared to cut the kind of check it would take it bring him here. We know though that Bob McNair is so "honorable" that he wouldn't dare move that fast. That's why I'm ready for Kubiak in 2010.
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I really don't care if Kubes was coaching poorly or scared. I care about W's. This is a pretty damned good football team that's taken some tough losses. There's not a single poster on this board or a single Texans fan that takes a loss harder than I do. IMHO, I'd like to see Kubes back next year. That way we can avoid all the 1st year coach, those are Kubiaks players not "pick a HC's" guys, et al ad nauseum BS. The Texans are on the cusp of being a great football team. We've had some bad plays called, bad fumbles, bad calls and bad luck go against us. Shit happens in the NFL. Kubiak is no Belichick, but Belichick wasn't Belichick before the NE stint. He was 36-44 as the HC of Cleveland. I say we stay the course with Kubes for at least another year. I bet Cleveland wishes they still had Belichick. I know he resigned as HC and wasn't fired, so don't get all crazy about that.
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