Beerlover Bye Week Mock Draft-

[mussop]

Originally Posted by beerlover

This post pretty much sums it all up. good job

If we all got together & came up with a top 32 draft board of elite prospects Terrence Cody would be on that list as the premier NT in the nation. with increase in popularity of the 3-4 you can bet several teams will bring him in for private workouts following his combine & pro-day

Sad thing is he'll probably go to Denver and have to play in that high altitude. Poor guy.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by mussop

Every year quality guards fall to the 3rd round an down. I still think we have to go BPA in round 1 and 2 and then possibly we can start filling needs.

I think we have discussed need versus BPA before but for the most part I am a need player first guy. The poblem with waiting until later to draft your need is no one may be there. I refer to most recent draft and Glen Coffee who was gone by our pick. If there is a player that appears to be just what you need Jon Asmoah for example, pull the trigger unless you can trade down a bit and still select him and get another pick. This guard is 6'4" 315 5.08 "good at traps and blocks and excellent at bull rushes."Illinois in 2008 had the leading passing offense in their conference. He was starter in a ZBS and is projected 2nd round & number two over all guard. Why not fill the position and remove Studdard? Could he slip to our pick in 3rd? I truly hope so because that would allow us to fill other needs. Who are your picks for first and second?

[badboy]

Originally Posted by YoungTexanFan

This is usually true, though I was all about taking Brandon Albert in the first round as an OG. Then some morons decided that he would make a great NFL LT. That's working out well. The Chiefs are still looking for an NFL LT and there are talks up here about moving him back to his natural LG spot and drafting a real LT. I thought he had All-Pro potential as an OG. But otherwise, I do agree with your point.

If I remember correctly there were many calling for Albert to be a tackle including many on this MB. Anyway, I hope he is move down the line and Chiefs go for a LT. This would push OG down a spot for us.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by treduke

one last thought on mt. cody i would not spend a 1st on him or even a 2nd for that matter i watch alot of big 12 football and another guy i like is parish cox as guy that could still be around in the mid-rounds 6'0 about 195 runs a 4.3 very good return guy which would allow jacoby to focus more on being a receiver he does take some risks and needs work on his tackling but with some good coaching that wont be a big issue

If we switched to a 3-4 and I don't think that will happen, I think Texans would try to get a NT from another team. If Cody was avail in 3rd, I'd think about it. Perrish Cox would be a very good fit and I have him rated going in 2nd round. On another thread, someone was talking a trade down to Patriots; our first for two of their three seconds which are all pretty high. I'd probably do that deal even if Haden was there for us in first. I am waffling though as I think Haden is best CB. If that trade happened and unlike most thown out there, it is doable. I like Gerhart RB; Asomoah LG and Cox as my three seconds and probably would go Morgan Burnett FS in the fourth. Anyone after that could be projects and we'd have a great draft.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by beerlover

I doubt Kubiak & staff get the boot but if somehow Texans switch to a 3-4 Cody would have to be in the mix, you simply cannot run this defense without a massive run stopper in the middle. He is elite to NT position if a team has such a need he will surely be targeted

I think Oakland has a big old NT that could be available. He is older but serviceable. I had him coming to Texans with ASO (CB)in trade for DR, Okoye, Okam and something else before trade deadline. I think Davis would take a third for him if we go 3-4.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by beerlover

its kinda funny but his teammate last year stole the show @ the combine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0ysfkUxuw & still got drafted #6 overall by Cincinnati, I would call that elite. so it would not surprise me if Cody learned nothing from this & just went about his buisness like Andre did cause in the end 6'4" 370 lb DT's don't grow on trees. It is important for him to be reached by his coaches & they manuver a route he can develop some better work habits with an incentive layden contract which sets both weight, conditioning & strength goals.

Whole lot of risk for a whole lot of cheeseburger.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by mussop

Hey im a build the trenches first guy so dont get me wrong. If one of the top OT's fell to us in the first round and I were GM, I would have the card turned in before they finished announcing the previous picks name. IMO you just dont pass up elite OL unless its for an elite DL.



I think the conditioning theory has been a little overhyped. His conditioning has gotten better every year. He came into this year around 350 and in the best shape of his Bama career. He's shown the right attitude and worked hard. And while you say the other good players around him make him look better, I couldnt agree less. In the 3/4 the nose tackle and the inside linebackers, those are three guys that are very important. But when you go through it, the nose tackle is probably the single-most important guy. Because he demands double teams it frees up Rolondo McClain and the other defendars to make plays. He beats his man 1 on 1 the majority of the time so teams have to double him. Auburn tried to start off single blocking him on the first play of the game and Cody plowed throught tthe guy and tackled the RB behind the line of scrimage.

Watch him when he has to pursue a play, he doesnt give up and just stop like a guy that has bad conditioning. He hustles for a guy his size. Now im not saying he could run a marothon but he has good conditioning for a guy his size. Even Saben raved about Cody’s work ethic and character. He reminds me alot of Gilbert Brown the DT for the Packers in their latest glory days. I think some 3/4 team is going to pick him and he will do exactly what they drafted him for and do it well.



You just dont rack up stats as a 3/4 NT. How can you judge him for tackles when his main job is to tie up blockers? I agree he wouldnt be the same in our 4/3 but he is more than

If we were to hire Cowher and switched to a 3/4, I wouldnt be unhappy if we drafted Cody in the first.

You do it like this; Dan Williams 6'2" 327 rated ahead of Cody 2008: 48 tackles 22 solo and the following:
11/18/09 - Tennessee senior defensive tackle Dan Williams is no doubt improving his NFL draft status. The Memphis native has 35 tackles the last six games. He’s also got seven quarterback hurries, 5.5 tackles for loss and a sack in that span. Teammates and opponents alike have dubbed him unblockable. Williams has spoken briefly with coach Lane Kiffin, who spent a season and a half with the NFL Oakland Raiders, about the NFL.“We never did get in depth into it. He just said, ‘Dan, just keep doing what you’re doing,”’ Williams said. Kiffin told him, “‘You’re doing good, and they’re talking good about you.’ For the most part, I think that’s good to hear, but my goals for this team are still trying to get us to a bowl game and just make sure I do everything I can do we can win,” Williams said. “If my play is helping us win, and it also helps me out in the long run, that’s a plus. But we don’t talk about it that much.” - AP Sports

11/17/09 - 11/17/09 NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee: Williams has steadily risen up NFL Draft boards because of performances such as the one he had in a losing effort against Ole Miss. His nine tackles led the team, and his 2009 total of 52 is third on the squad. That sort of production is a bit unusual for a defensive tackle not named Ndamukong Suh. Williams also had two tackles for loss, one of which came after a pass he batted went to Ole Miss C Daverin Geralds - it was the easiest tackle Williams had all year. One of his most impressive plays came early on, as Williams chased a scrambling QB Jevan Snead to the sideline to prevent a big run. Snead has decent speed, so the big man's hustle could not be ignored. Combining that chase with his strength on the line makes him an intriguing early-round nose tackle prospect. - Chad Reuter, The SportsXchange, NFLDraftScout.com

[rmartin65]

Williams is my favorite NT in this draft. Cody just scares the crap out of me, I see him being a dud.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

Williams is my favorite NT in this draft. Cody just scares the crap out of me, I see him being a dud.

Agreed. Cody may not be a dud but am nervous about him also. I don't see Cower or 3-4 for Texans next season.

[beerlover]

unless there is a drastic coaching change coming I'll stick with my 4th rd. pick of -

4) DT Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by beerlover

unless there is a drastic coaching change coming I'll stick with my 4th rd. pick of -

We are thinking alike. I have Mike Neal Purdue DT 6'4" 302 lbs 4.96 40 and 5.5 sack in 09 with 5 so far last I looked for this season in the fourth on my board. I am thinking of by passing a DT in draft due to possible free agents that should be helpful. I have Thomas Austin OC in 5th but am nervous he might be gone. If I go DT in free agency and move up Thomas I have my starting center who can also get reps at guard while he learns from Myers.

Brown, Asamoah, Thomas, Caldwell and Winston with Brisiel and Myers back ups. Then put a Dwyer or Gerhart in back field with Slaton.

[rmartin65]

Alright, I have been screwing around with a new draft, and I think I have a pretty good one here. Rip into it.

1) Florida CB Joe Haden, 5'11" 190 lbs

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 240 lbs

3) Baylor OC J.D. Walton, 6'3" 305 lbs

4) Purdue DT Mike Deal, 6'3" 302 lbs or Texas DT Lamar Houston, 6'2" 300 lbs

5) OT Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6'8" 321 lbs

6) Thug U TE Jimmy Graham, 6'8" 260 lbs

6) Alabama K Leigh Tiffin, 6'1" 212 lbs

7) Colgate WR Pat Simonds, 6'6" 220 lbs

I feel like I hit the major zones, except FS. A CB, power back, interior OL, DT, K, and two red zone threats. The TE only stays if OD goes.

[JB]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

Alright, I have been screwing around with a new draft, and I think I have a pretty good one here. Rip into it.

1) Florida CB Joe Haden, 5'11" 190 lbs

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 240 lbs

3) Baylor OC J.D. Walton, 6'3" 305 lbs

4) Purdue DT Mike Deal, 6'3" 302 lbs or Texas DT Lamar Houston, 6'2" 300 lbs

5) OT Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6'8" 321 lbs

6) Thug U TE Jimmy Graham, 6'8" 260 lbs

6) Alabama K Leigh Tiffin, 6'1" 212 lbs

7) Colgate WR Pat Simonds, 6'6" 220 lbs

I feel like I hit the major zones, except FS. A CB, power back, interior OL, DT, K, and two red zone threats. The TE only stays if OD goes.

I would love that draft.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

Alright, I have been screwing around with a new draft, and I think I have a pretty good one here. Rip into it.

1) Florida CB Joe Haden, 5'11" 190 lbs

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 240 lbs

3) Baylor OC J.D. Walton, 6'3" 305 lbs

4) Purdue DT Mike Deal, 6'3" 302 lbs or Texas DT Lamar Houston, 6'2" 300 lbs

5) OT Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6'8" 321 lbs

6) Thug U TE Jimmy Graham, 6'8" 260 lbs

6) Alabama K Leigh Tiffin, 6'1" 212 lbs

7) Colgate WR Pat Simonds, 6'6" 220 lbs

I feel like I hit the major zones, except FS. A CB, power back, interior OL, DT, K, and two red zone threats. The TE only stays if OD goes.

You lost me after round 4. I think we need a guard but when Brisiel returns he or Caldwell could go to LG I guess. We could use a back up tackle but Brown and Winston have been very steady and Rashad "what's his name" Butler would probably be better than a 5th round rookie. I'd replace JV with Thomas Austin C/G from Clemson. Wilson will probably start at FS but look at Robert Johnson Utah FS/CB 6'2" 200 4.52 in the 6th. I have him late in 5th as I am hoping TJ's trade is a bump up.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by badboy

You do it like this; Dan Williams 6'2" 327 rated ahead of Cody 2008: 48 tackles 22 solo and the following:
11/18/09 - Tennessee senior defensive tackle Dan Williams is no doubt improving his NFL draft status. The Memphis native has 35 tackles the last six games. He’s also got seven quarterback hurries, 5.5 tackles for loss and a sack in that span. Teammates and opponents alike have dubbed him unblockable. Williams has spoken briefly with coach Lane Kiffin, who spent a season and a half with the NFL Oakland Raiders, about the NFL.“We never did get in depth into it. He just said, ‘Dan, just keep doing what you’re doing,”’ Williams said. Kiffin told him, “‘You’re doing good, and they’re talking good about you.’ For the most part, I think that’s good to hear, but my goals for this team are still trying to get us to a bowl game and just make sure I do everything I can do we can win,” Williams said. “If my play is helping us win, and it also helps me out in the long run, that’s a plus. But we don’t talk about it that much.” - AP Sports

11/17/09 - 11/17/09 NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee: Williams has steadily risen up NFL Draft boards because of performances such as the one he had in a losing effort against Ole Miss. His nine tackles led the team, and his 2009 total of 52 is third on the squad. That sort of production is a bit unusual for a defensive tackle not named Ndamukong Suh. Williams also had two tackles for loss, one of which came after a pass he batted went to Ole Miss C Daverin Geralds - it was the easiest tackle Williams had all year. One of his most impressive plays came early on, as Williams chased a scrambling QB Jevan Snead to the sideline to prevent a big run. Snead has decent speed, so the big man's hustle could not be ignored. Combining that chase with his strength on the line makes him an intriguing early-round nose tackle prospect. - Chad Reuter, The SportsXchange, NFLDraftScout.com

Yeh I have read all that already. I could throw this in the disscusion.

11/23/09 - 2009 CHUCK BEDNARIK AWARD FINALIST (BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER): Terrence Cody, Alabama: The Crimson Tide defense leads the nation in total defense (225.18 ypg) and pass efficiency defense (82.5 rating) this season. Alabama is second in the SEC and second nationally in scoring defense (9.91 ppg) and second in the SEC and fifth nationally in pass defense (154.55 ypg) through 11 games. Alabama has held nine of its 11 opponents to less than 100 yards rushing and four of the 11 opponents to less than 200 total yards in a game. Alabama has held six teams to a touchdown or less this season. Cody has recorded 22 tackles, including five tackles of loss (-10 yards), two quarterback pressures and one pass breakup for the nation's second-ranked team. He recorded three tackles and blocked a school-record tying two field goals in the Tide's 12-10 win over Tennessee on Oct. 24. He was named the AT&T All-America and SEC Defensive Player of the Week for his performance against the Vols, which included two blocked kicks in the final 10 minutes of the game, with the second one coming on the game's final play. The announcement of the winner of Bednarik Award will be made during the Home Depot ESPNU College Football Awards Show that will be broadcast on ESPN on Thursday Dec. 10, 2009. The formal presentation of these awards will be made at the Maxwell Football Club's Awards Dinner, to be held on Friday, March 5, 2010 at the Harrah's Entertainment Complex in Atlantic City, New Jersey. - Alabama football

11/20/09 - 2009 BRONKO NAGURSKI AWARD FINALIST: Alabama senior nose guard Terrence Cody has been named one of five finalists for the 2009 Bronko Nagurski Trophy, the Football Writers Association and the Charlotte (N.C.) Touchdown Club announced Thursday. The FWAA's National Defensive Player of the Year Award is named after Bronko Nagurski, who dominated college football at Minnesota as a bruising fullback and defensive tackle from 1927-29. He could have been an All-American at any position playing 60 minutes and was the best player wherever he lined up. A member of the 2008 FWAA All-America team, Cody anchors an Alabama defensive front the leads the SEC and ranks second nationally in rushing defense. The Crimson Tide has allowed only 2.4 yards per play and 72.8 yards per game this season. In addition, the Tide defense ranks second nationally and second in the SEC in scoring defense (10.9 ppg) and second in the SEC and third nationally in total defense (239.3 ypg). The Crimson Tide has held eight of its first 10 opponents to less than 100 yards rushing and three of the 10 opponents to less than 200 total yards in a game. Alabama has held five teams to a touchdown or less this season. Cody has recorded 20 tackles, including five tackles of loss (-10 yards), two quarterback pressures and one pass breakup for the nation’s second-ranked team. He recorded three tackles and blocked a school-record tying two field goals in the Tide’s 12-10 win over Tennessee on Oct. 24. He was named the AT&T All-America and SEC Defensive Player of the Week for his performance against the Vols, which included two blocked kicks in the final 10 minutes of the game, with second one coming on the game’s final play. - Alabama football

10/26/09 - SEC WEEK 8 DEFENSIVE LINEMAN OF THE WEEK: Terrence Cody, Defensive Lineman, Alabama, blocked two field goals and had two tackles in Alabama’s 12-10 victory over Tennessee. His second blocked field goal of the contest came on the last play of the game on an attempted 44-yard field goal to preserve the Crimson Tide win. Cody’s first blocked field goal came earlier in the fourth quarter on an attempted 43-yard field goal. For the season, Cody has 17 total tackles, including five behind the line of scrimmage. - SEC football

Doesnt really add anything to the discussion. There are fluff peices wrote about every potential high draft pick. The point is Cody plays in a defense where his position is required to perform certain task that benifit his teamates. So you cant judge him soley on stats.

You asked in another post who my first two picks would be. Its hard to name any particular players right now with so much up in the air. I can tell you this, it will be the players that I think will have the biggest impact on the team regardless of position.

For instance I can say there is one player who would be a huge addition to this team whether we are a 3/4 or a 4/3. That is Derrick Morgan. Though I doubt he is available when we pick. I would take him in a heartbeat if he were despite the fact that we signed Smith and drafted Barwin last year.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

Alright, I have been screwing around with a new draft, and I think I have a pretty good one here. Rip into it.

1) Florida CB Joe Haden, 5'11" 190 lbs

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 240 lbs

3) Baylor OC J.D. Walton, 6'3" 305 lbs

4) Purdue DT Mike Deal, 6'3" 302 lbs or Texas DT Lamar Houston, 6'2" 300 lbs

5) OT Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6'8" 321 lbs

6) Thug U TE Jimmy Graham, 6'8" 260 lbs

6) Alabama K Leigh Tiffin, 6'1" 212 lbs

7) Colgate WR Pat Simonds, 6'6" 220 lbs

I feel like I hit the major zones, except FS. A CB, power back, interior OL, DT, K, and two red zone threats. The TE only stays if OD goes.

I honestly never anticapated the Texans would lose both games following their bye week, hence in position to draft a top CB like Haden. I really think he ends up top 10, but if he's still on the board I'm all for selecting him.

If he's gone I'd try to trade down a few spots, maybe pick up another 3rd. thus getting both Walton, C & Edds, OLB before grabbing our franchise RB Gerhart. Second would be a tough choice between best CB or OG on the board.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by beerlover

I honestly never anticapated the Texans would lose both games following their bye week, hence in position to draft a top CB like Haden. I really think he ends up top 10, but if he's still on the board I'm all for selecting him.

If he's gone I'd try to trade down a few spots, maybe pick up another 3rd. thus getting both Walton, C & Edds, OLB before grabbing our franchise RB Gerhart. Second would be a tough choice between best CB or OG on the board.

I concur. That is a good plan, I think that this draft would be great, and bolster the team immensely.

[badboy]

Mussop, thanks for your input on Cody and I have read what you posted before. I agree that stats are only a part of evaluation and I could be all wrong about him. I don't think I am the only one that has doubts though. I am evaluating him as if he were to be our pick in any round. IF we were going 3-4 and IF we got him no higher than 3rd, I would grudgingly ok the pick.

In a 3-4 I would not want Terrence Cody as a rookie being my nose tackle. I'd take Dan Williams Tennesee NT who also gets double blocked a time or two but still effects the QB. Preferably, in a 3-4 scenario next season, I'd sign a vet to play a year or two and allow Williams time to adjust to NFL.

[kastofsna]

i have a feeling Gerhart is going to be that guy that every fan of every team loves and will somehow make their team draft him when making mock drafts

[mussop]

Originally Posted by badboy

Mussop, thanks for your input on Cody and I have read what you posted before. I agree that stats are only a part of evaluation and I could be all wrong about him. I don't think I am the only one that has doubts though. I am evaluating him as if he were to be our pick in any round. IF we were going 3-4 and IF we got him no higher than 3rd, I would grudgingly ok the pick.

In a 3-4 I would not want Terrence Cody as a rookie being my nose tackle. I'd take Dan Williams Tennesee NT who also gets double blocked a time or two but still effects the QB. Preferably, in a 3-4 scenario next season, I'd sign a vet to play a year or two and allow Williams time to adjust to NFL.

I agree with everyting youre saying. Cody isnt a good fit in a 4/3. We have pretty much the same opinion of him other than the conditioning issue. IMO he has done everything asked of him since getting to Bama. He has good character, he works hard and has shown alot of maturity in the way he has approached this issue. There is tons of press on the very subjuct but people seem to be missing it for some reason.

If you watch him play you will realize its not as much of an issue as regularly advertised.