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thunderkyss · 11-02-2009

Why has it taken so long to see the End around in a regular seasn game.

I thought it was a part of our run game last year, that extra defender had to watch for it.

Finally saw it yesterday, along with that little pitch to Walter..

That's what we need more of.

thunderkyss · 11-02-2009

Case in point, our last touchdown of the 4th Qtr. We faked the reverse, the DE had no one on him, but he had to watch Walter coming around, to make sure he had/didn't have the ball. If not for that, he would have tackled Moats in the backfield for a loss.

**Cjeremy635** · 11-02-2009

I'll take full credit for that play. If you remember correctly, I called for a double reverse in the "script the first 4 plays" thread. Now I know they tweaked it, but it was all on me. Go ahead, give me your praises.

76Texan · 11-02-2009

Walter lost a yard against the Cards on a reverse.

In the Jags game, he motioned from the slot to the RB position and took the ball for an end-around that gained 11 yards.

TimeKiller · 11-02-2009

I think they've tried a few this year but they've been trying to force Kevin Walter on it. I don't believe his speed is an issue running routes but as a straight up ball carrier he doesn't have the juke to be effective (and he isn't)

Jacoby Jones, however, has the speed and the juke to be an effective reverse option. Hence the 17 yard (i think?) pickup yesterday.

dalemurphy · 11-02-2009

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Originally Posted by TimeKiller

I think they've tried a few this year but they've been trying to force Kevin Walter on it. I don't believe his speed is an issue running routes but as a straight up ball carrier he doesn't have the juke to be effective (and he isn't)

Jacoby Jones, however, has the speed and the juke to be an effective reverse option. Hence the 17 yard (i think?) pickup yesterday.

On both end arounds, we were able to seal block the OLB on the end around side. I think that may be an adjustment. I've never noticed that before. I think the old end around counted on all LBs flowing toward the ball carrier enough to lose contain. This may be a new wrinkle, having a blocker waiting for him on the change of direction.

thunderkyss · 11-02-2009

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Originally Posted by 76Texan

Walter lost a yard against the Cards on a reverse.

In the Jags game, he motioned from the slot to the RB position and took the ball for an end-around that gained 11 yards.

Good looking out. I had not noticed us trying them as much this year, as much as we did last year.

Bubbajwp · 11-02-2009

Like I said in the gameday thread I think Jacoby Jones should be the one running the end around. He has much better speed and explosivness I could see him breaking one for a big play.

MightyTExan · 11-02-2009

Why not AJ on a reverse? Call me crazy, but AJ on a kick return would be awseome. Don't jump down my throat for the idea, there is a top NFL team that uses their number 1 WR for kick retruns.(or punt returns)

76Texan · 11-02-2009

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Originally Posted by MightyTExan

Why not AJ on a reverse? Call me crazy, but AJ on a kick return would be awseome. Don't jump down my throat for the idea, there is a top NFL team that uses their number 1 WR for kick retruns.(or punt returns)

I think the idea of a reverse is to catch the defense off-guard.
They will be looking at AJ all the time so I don't think we have good use of the reverse with AJ taking the ball on such play.

**Texan_Bill** · 11-02-2009

Kubiak's first year, Andre had 3 rushes for 14 yards (4.7 ypg average). Since 2006 he's had 0 attempts.

Under the C & C factory (for 3 seasons), he had 15 rushes for 12 yards (0.8 ypg average).

Career: 18 rushes for 26 yards (1.4 ypg average)

Let's just say that it's not his forte and move along.

Big Lou · 11-02-2009

I think JJ should run a couple of end arounds, he's got the speed to be really succesful.

I thought I saw some new formations this week, a couple of tight reciever formations, but maybe I've just missed these in the past. I like how those formations bunch up the D. It seems like this would help our playmakers.

sometexansfan · 11-02-2009

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Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Kubiak's first year, Andre had 3 rushes for 14 yards (4.7 ypg average). Since 2006 he's had 0 attempts.

Under the C & C factory (for 3 seasons), he had 15 rushes for 12 yards (0.8 ypg average).

Career: 18 rushes for 26 yards (1.4 ypg average)

Let's just say that it's not his forte and move along.

But in the Buffalo game in 2003, he had a -34 yard rush which went for a safety to preserve a victory. So if you take out that attempt he has 17 rushes for 60 yards (3.5 ypc), not great but I still think he could be effective on a reverse.

HJam72 · 11-02-2009

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Originally Posted by sometexansfan

But in the Buffalo game in 2003, he had a -34 yard rush which went for a safety to preserve a victory. So if you take out that attempt he has 17 rushes for 60 yards (3.5 ypc), not great but I still think he could be effective on a reverse.

How the heck do you get a -34 yard rush? LOL.

sometexansfan · 11-02-2009

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How the heck do you get a -34 yard rush? LOL.

They came out in a punting formation and Andre took the snap and ran all the way into the back of the endzone to run out the rest of the clock.

76Texan · 11-03-2009

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Originally Posted by sometexansfan

But in the Buffalo game in 2003, he had a -34 yard rush which went for a safety to preserve a victory. So if you take out that attempt he has 17 rushes for 60 yards (3.5 ypc), not great but I still think he could be effective on a reverse.

Not that he can't do it, but I think it's better to send him forward to occupy two defenders.

sometexansfan · 11-03-2009

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Originally Posted by 76Texan

Not that he can't do it, but I think it's better to send him forward to occupy two defenders.

Good point.

**Texan_Bill** · 11-03-2009

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Originally Posted by HJam72

How the heck do you get a -34 yard rush? LOL.

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Originally Posted by sometexansfan

They came out in a punting formation and Andre took the snap and ran all the way into the back of the endzone to run out the rest of the clock.

I remember that now. However, as you said, with that removed he's still only at 3.5. Anyway, I agree with 76.

**silvrhand** · 11-03-2009

reverses aren't used that much these days as you really have to have someone who can motor to get the most out of it cause most defenses just pursue to the ball so well these days that they aren't big gainers like they used to be, and doing a handoff at full speed isn't all that easy.

**AnthonyE** · 11-04-2009

To be honest, I've actually been happy to see less of these. It seemed like we used at least one a game last year, and none of them would work.

I would love to see a 3 WR set, with jacoby in the slot and have him run it rather than see Walter do it again. I like Walter, but we need to have some people with crazy jets try it.

11-02-2009	#1
thunderkyss Hopkins Beyatch Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pt Arthur Texas Age: 40 Posts: 25,714 Rep Power: 51478	The end around Why has it taken so long to see the End around in a regular seasn game. I thought it was a part of our run game last year, that extra defender had to watch for it. Finally saw it yesterday, along with that little pitch to Walter.. That's what we need more of. __________________ I swear it's for real this time!

11-02-2009	#2
thunderkyss Hopkins Beyatch Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pt Arthur Texas Age: 40 Posts: 25,714 Rep Power: 51478	Re: The end around Case in point, our last touchdown of the 4th Qtr. We faked the reverse, the DE had no one on him, but he had to watch Walter coming around, to make sure he had/didn't have the ball. If not for that, he would have tackled Moats in the backfield for a loss. __________________ I swear it's for real this time!

11-02-2009	#3
Cjeremy635 Overtraining Join Date: May 2005 Location: Huffman, Texas Age: 35 Posts: 7,649 Rep Power: 28643	Re: The end around I'll take full credit for that play. If you remember correctly, I called for a double reverse in the "script the first 4 plays" thread. Now I know they tweaked it, but it was all on me. Go ahead, give me your praises.

11-02-2009	#4
76Texan Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,670 Rep Power: 27383	Re: The end around Walter lost a yard against the Cards on a reverse. In the Jags game, he motioned from the slot to the RB position and took the ball for an end-around that gained 11 yards.

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TimeKiller Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: This giant tree, standing 10,000 ft. high but not reaching the ground. It's roots must hold the sky. Section: 521/Couch Age: 26 Posts: 7,648 Rep Power: 0	Re: The end around I think they've tried a few this year but they've been trying to force Kevin Walter on it. I don't believe his speed is an issue running routes but as a straight up ball carrier he doesn't have the juke to be effective (and he isn't) Jacoby Jones, however, has the speed and the juke to be an effective reverse option. Hence the 17 yard (i think?) pickup yesterday.

11-02-2009	#9
MightyTExan It's go time! Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 787 Rep Power: 4036	Re: The end around Why not AJ on a reverse? Call me crazy, but AJ on a kick return would be awseome. Don't jump down my throat for the idea, there is a top NFL team that uses their number 1 WR for kick retruns.(or punt returns)

11-02-2009	#11
Texan_Bill Subscribed Contributor Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Houston. Mediocrity Lives Here!! Section: Bull Pen!! Age: 45 Posts: 47,087 Rep Power: 41742	Re: The end around Kubiak's first year, Andre had 3 rushes for 14 yards (4.7 ypg average). Since 2006 he's had 0 attempts. Under the C & C factory (for 3 seasons), he had 15 rushes for 12 yards (0.8 ypg average). Career: 18 rushes for 26 yards (1.4 ypg average) Let's just say that it's not his forte and move along. __________________ DeAndre!

11-02-2009	#12
Big Lou "NUK-LEAR" Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Section: DirecTV Age: 38 Posts: 2,708 Rep Power: 9467	Re: The end around I think JJ should run a couple of end arounds, he's got the speed to be really succesful. I thought I saw some new formations this week, a couple of tight reciever formations, but maybe I've just missed these in the past. I like how those formations bunch up the D. It seems like this would help our playmakers. __________________ *Nothing is impossible, it just costs more.*

11-03-2009	#19
silvrhand Site Contributor Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: La Porte, TX Section: 135J 5-8 Age: 38 Posts: 1,783 Rep Power: 4493	Re: The end around reverses aren't used that much these days as you really have to have someone who can motor to get the most out of it cause most defenses just pursue to the ball so well these days that they aren't big gainers like they used to be, and doing a handoff at full speed isn't all that easy.

11-04-2009	#20
AnthonyE Lurker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Huntsville/Houston Section: 118 Row B Age: 22 Posts: 2,196 Rep Power: 2028	Re: The end around To be honest, I've actually been happy to see less of these. It seemed like we used at least one a game last year, and none of them would work. I would love to see a 3 WR set, with jacoby in the slot and have him run it rather than see Walter do it again. I like Walter, but we need to have some people with crazy jets try it. __________________

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