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View Poll Results: Rookie of the Year
Brian Cushing 60 78.95%
Percy Harvin 9 11.84%
Hakeem Nicks 0 0%
James Lauranitus 0 0%
Brian Orakpo 0 0%
Michael Oher 0 0%
Jairus Byrd 7 9.21%
Shonne Green 0 0%
Rey Maualuga 0 0%
Clay Matthews 0 0%
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Old 11-01-2009   #1
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Not gonna be offense or defense specific.... whose the best rookie?

http://profootball.scout.com/2/914242.html
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Right now Iceman (new nickname from Tedc for icing games) Cushing is the no doubt leader. Offensive guys always get the edge so we'll see.
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I voted for Harvin...that much talent as a rookie...just wow. Nothing against Cushing though, he is a beast .
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Byrd is playing out of his mind. 7 picks through the halfway point, which is more INTs than receptions allowed. As much as I would like to go for Cushing I can't see him over a potential All-Pro.
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Byrd is playing out of his mind. 7 picks through the halfway point, which is more INTs than receptions allowed. As much as I would like to go for Cushing I can't see him over a potential All-Pro.
I would've voted Byrd over Cushing BUT he is catching a bunch of tip drill balls that fall right in his lap. Yes he's in the right place and thats half the battle but its not like he's running step for step with receivers and completely shutting down the oppositions passing game. He hasn't completely changed the attitude and performance of his defense like Cushing. Besides the Bills are an awful defense, Cushing might be headed to the postseason.
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As much as I love Cushing, I am having a tough time deciding between him and Byrd. You don't get 7 INTs from being in the right place at the right time. He's the 2nd player in the history of the NFL to get 2 INTs in 3 straight games. He's playing out of his mind and he is the SOLE reason that team scores any points.

At the same time, Cushing has completely changed the mindset on this defense and is not only a tackling machine, but is coming up with turnovers. He has more INTs than any of our DBs and that one to seal the game yesterday was a thing of beauty
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Right now Iceman (new nickname from Tedc for icing games) Cushing is the no doubt leader. Offensive guys always get the edge so we'll see.
I voted Cushing as well, but offensive guys usually win the award. I'd give a slight edge to Harvin in that regard given that the media loves anyone who plays with "The Favre".

Byrd is doing some amazing things in Buffalo, but Cushing has changed the whole mindset of this defense. I don't know how many times I've seen a running back or receiver running up the field only to be stopped dead in his tracks by Cushing. With the toughness and nastiness that he & Pollard have brought to this defense I feel really good about our chances against any team.
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Yes you do apparently. How many of his INT's have been while the ball was being thrown to someone he was covering? - 1 or 2. Being 5-10 yds off a play and having the ball come at you is still skill to make the catch but it isn't analyzing the play and making a move, it is luck to have the opportunity to make the catch in the first place. Look at the two yesterday. One bounced off AJ and the other Schaub totally overthrew. In neither case did Byrd do anything to put himself in position to intercept the ball. The ball just came to the place he happened to be. I can't believe folks are so wrapped up in one stat they are discounting the across the board excellent play of Cushing.
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I voted Percy Harvin.

Not because I think he's better than Cush, but because of the exposure he will get playing with Favre.
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Cushing without a doubt! Call me bias but he's played better than the others.
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Fair or not, Harvin will win because is the best of the offensive rookies.
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Right now Iceman (new nickname from Tedc for icing games) Cushing is the no doubt leader. Offensive guys always get the edge so we'll see.
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Fair or not, Harvin will win because is the best of the offensive rookies.
When was the last time a WR won ROY with under 1000 yds? or even with 1000 yds for that matter?

Anquan Boldin had 1377.
Randy Moss had 1313 with 17 td's.
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interceptions are an incredibly overrated stat for defensive backs. Asante Samuel enjoys that fact.

i forgot Laurinaitis even existed. is he playing well?
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Made a mistake and hit Harvin over Cushing..though Harvin has been great and made a big difference. I will say Matthews is having a nice year also.
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Cases can be made for all, and YES I'm a , but I still think Cush is in the top 2-3 nonetheless.

Cush for ROY, Pro-Bowl, etc., if he keeps up his current stats throughout.
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I can't believe folks are so wrapped up in one stat they are discounting the across the board excellent play of Cushing.
Yeah, the only player in the league with an int, forced fumble, sack and a safety. That's literally every category besides tackles, which he is also doing *okay* at. The difference in the D can largely be attributed to him.

Byrd man has been lucky and opportunistic. Cushing has been a freight train.

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i forgot Laurinaitis even existed. is he playing well?
Everytime I see anything about him he's leading the Rams in tackles. Hard to say really, I haven't watched him play but he seemed like a solid player in the draft and his numbers seem solid.
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Right now Iceman (new nickname from Tedc for icing games) Cushing is the no doubt leader. Offensive guys always get the edge so we'll see.
Byrd has a huge lead on anyone on D. Sorry you guys need to be less homerish and realize Byrd has had a pick in 4 consecutive games. Two in each of the last 3 games. It is only week 8 and he has 7 picks!
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Harvin is the only guy I would even consider over Cushing, but Brian gets my vote.

That tip drill interception yesterday was incredible. Guy is proof that hard work and preparation matters

the guy makes a mistake and is out of position but doesn't panic and finds a way to make a play.

that made my day, yesterday. then Favremania was incredible so it was a perfect Sunday.
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Byrd has a huge lead on anyone on D. Sorry you guys need to be less homerish and realize Byrd has had a pick in 4 consecutive games. Two in each of the last 3 games. It is only week 8 and he has 7 picks!
Nothing homerish about it. Most of Byrd's picks have had almost nothing to do with his talent. He didn't analyze the play and put himself in the right place, he just happened to be where somebody tipped the ball to. If he was jumping balls and making real picks then yes I would be impressed and include him in the conversation. As it is, I think it is ridiculous to even consider him based on a single empty stat.
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