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Old 10-25-2009   #1
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#1 in passing yardage - Matt Schaub
#1 in WR yardage - Andre Johnson
#1 in TE yardage - Owen Daniels
#1 in passing TD's - Matt Schaub

Damn, I wish we had a QB that was more than an NFL backup.
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#1 in passing yardage - Matt Schaub
#1 in WR yardage - Andre Johnson
#1 in TE yardage - Owen Daniels
#1 in passing TD's - Matt Schaub

Damn, I wish we had a QB that was more than an NFL backup.
Aaron Rodgers has a higher QB rating and so is clearly the better player.

Well, that's what passes for football analysis on CBS anyways.
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Aaron Rodgers has a higher QB rating and so is clearly the better player.

Well, that's what passes for football analysis on CBS anyways.
Obviously I don't follow the Packers as much as the Texans, but from what I have seen Rodgers has been playing very well.
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Aaron Rodgers has a higher QB rating and so is clearly the better player.

Well, that's what passes for football analysis on CBS anyways.
It was even more nuanced; something along the lines of, "well Aaron Rogers has a better passer rating on third downs on odd numbered dates, when the wind is between 11 and 19.5 MPH. He is obviously superior and you're a fool for considering Schaub better than him."
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Fire Schaub. He only had two touchdowns today.
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Fire Schaub. He only had two touchdowns today.
And he didn't get 300 yards. Terribly overrated.
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#1 in passing yardage - Matt Schaub
#1 in WR yardage - Andre Johnson
#1 in TE yardage - Owen Daniels
#1 in passing TD's - Matt Schaub

Damn, I wish we had a QB that was more than an NFL backup.
These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
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These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
They aren't misleading at all. They say that we have a very good QB, a very good TE, a very good WR, and a very good passing offense.

We are #10 in yards per game.
We are #12 in points per game.

These are the stats that tell us we have a one dimensional offense. The ones posted mean exactly what they say.
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These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
They aren't misleading at all for the QB or the quality of the players involved. The lack of a running game with the entire league knowing it means Schaub is getting it done in adverse circumstances not positive ones. This isn't some kind of slop time issue. This is getting it done passing because the team can't get it done rushing. What that means for the team is certainly a valid discussion, but wasn't my point here. These individuals are having stellar years so far.

Anybody that doesn't double AJ is a fool. Anybody that tries to cover OD with a LB is a fool. And anyone who thinks Schaub is a system QB who is just a glorified backup QB is a fool
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These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
Those numbers reflect a QB who has picked an offense up and put it on his shoulders.
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These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
Just because we can't run, doesn't mean we're not trying to. Schaub is not throwing the ball more than anyone else in the top 5 are. Tom brady actually has over 20 more attempts but less yards and TDs.
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These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
Schaub is vastly underrated. The analyst don't like him because he doesn't have the rocket arm and is slow. What he brings to the table is the intangibles that make a team win. He makes few mistakes, reads defenses well and is very accurate. A strong arm is nice...but it doesn't make you a winner.

It is even more impressive that we can score like this without a significant running game and a suspect interior line. He might not be Manning or Brady...but I don't know how anyone in their right mind who has been watching the Texans this year can think he is a below average qb.

I said it earlier....no way the Texans win today's game without Schaub's great performance.
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They aren't misleading at all for the QB or the quality of the players involved. The lack of a running game with the entire league knowing it means Schaub is getting it done in adverse circumstances not positive ones. This isn't some kind of slop time issue. This is getting it done passing because the team can't get it done rushing. What that means for the team is certainly a valid discussion, but wasn't my point here. These individuals are having stellar years so far.
The individual results come as a result of no running game. And I still say that if we had a running game, Schaub wouldn't throwing the ball as much. Therefore the stats are the result of being forced to throw it all the time. That's misleading.

I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy over what, in my view, are misleading stats, individual or not.
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The individual results come as a result of no running game. And I still say that if we had a running game, Schaub wouldn't throwing the ball as much. Therefore the stats are the result of being forced to throw it all the time. That's misleading.

I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy over what, in my view, are misleading stats, individual or not.
I don't think these stats would fall off quite as much as you think if we found our running game. They might dip a bit but the only real difference would be we would be averaging about a TD more per game.
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So let me get this straight, we not only want our QB to match the likes of Manning and Brady in production, but we want him to do it with less attempts as well?
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So let me get this straight, we not only want our QB to match the likes of Manning and Brady in production, but we want him to do it with less attempts as well?
Yep. I think that about covers it.
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I don't think these stats would fall off quite as much as you think if we found our running game. They might dip a bit but the only real difference would be we would be averaging about a TD more per game.
If anything they would go up, because we would be sustaining more drives, with more opportunities to score TDs.
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The individual results come as a result of no running game. And I still say that if we had a running game, Schaub wouldn't throwing the ball as much. Therefore the stats are the result of being forced to throw it all the time. That's misleading.

I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy over what, in my view, are misleading stats, individual or not.
Of course they are skewed over what Kubiak might want in an ideal world. But that is irrelevant to individual capability. These players are getting it done in spite of the lack of a running game and as you say at the same time because of the lack of a running game. Point still remains they are showing they can get it done under adverse conditions. Nothing misleading in that. Big Ben isn't supposed to be throwing this much either. Does it somehow take away from what he has done that they don't have a running game like they would like?
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So let me get this straight, we not only want our QB to match the likes of Manning and Brady in production, but we want him to do it with less attempts as well?
You forgot that we also need him to be productive for 35 years.
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So let me get this straight, we not only want our QB to match the likes of Manning and Brady in production, but we want him to do it with less attempts as well?


Both Manning and Brady's respective football teams have W-L records that closely reflect their stats. If you showed the Texans' stats to someone who is unfamiliar with the team or their record, they would think, just based on stats, that we're one of the top teams in league. We're not.

Misleading.
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