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View Poll Results: When will Connor Barwin turn the corner?
By the end of the year he'll show he was worth a second and then some. 23 22.33%
Some time next season he'll become Mario Lite. 43 41.75%
In a couple of years he'll be a decent pass rusher. 27 26.21%
It'll never happen he's Jason Babin 2.0. 10 9.71%
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Old 10-25-2009   #1
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I know Connor Barwin has only been playing Defense for a year and a half now, but as a second round pic he should be contirbuting at some point in the season.


When do you think he'll be worth the 2nd round pick Rick Smith used?
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Default Re: When will Connor Barwin turn the corner?

I think he has tried but those pesky RTs and LTs are in the way

seriously I am not sure when he will get it going

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Later on this season. I'm not worried about it.
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He's already been contributing pressure and had a few passes knocked down, I don't think he's struggling as much as the stat sheet suggests
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He's already been contributing pressure and had a few passes knocked down, I don't think he's struggling as much as the stat sheet suggests
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I know Connor Barwin has only been playing Defense for a year and a half now, but as a second round pic he should be contirbuting at some point in the season.

When do you think he'll be worth the 2nd round pick Rick Smith used?
Sadly, I don't think he's going to do as well as we'd expect from a 2nd rounder. Had he been a 4th rounder, I'm good with what he does out there. But he took up a 2nd round pick.

Since when is a 2nd rounder used as a situational player, limited on which down-and-distance situations exist during the game? You shouldn't, IMO. Unless he is so super-duper that he's worth the limited time.

Is he worth it? I don't think so.

In fact, I'm not too high on ANY of our d-line players right now.
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In fact, I'm not too high on ANY of our d-line players right now.
I agree here. 39 year old Zgonina has one less sack this season than Mario for God's sakes. They've improved in stopping the run but they just don't do anything rushing the passer.
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Sadly, I don't think he's going to do as well as we'd expect from a 2nd rounder. Had he been a 4th rounder, I'm good with what he does out there. But he took up a 2nd round pick.

Since when is a 2nd rounder used as a situational player, limited on which down-and-distance situations exist during the game? You shouldn't, IMO. Unless he is so super-duper that he's worth the limited time.

Is he worth it? I don't think so.

In fact, I'm not too high on ANY of our d-line players right now.
Ummm...... You have some mighty high expectations of draft picks in the NFL overall.. What would u expect of a second rounder? Demeco was an anomaly. Most second round picks don't even see the field on a consistent basis until year two. Do you expect him to get like 8 sacks?
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We didn't really draft him with the expectation of being a starter. We knew we had Mario and Smith as starters, we just need Barwin to learn from these guys. I would give him at least a couple of years before I would have these high expectations for him. If he gets 2 or 3 sacks this year, doesn't make any glaring mistakes, and gives our starters a chance to catch their breath on the sidelines here and there then I think that would be considered a successful year for him.
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Default Re: When will Connor Barwin turn the corner?

who knows lwt just been fun with him and move hmm to another Position maybe


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Sadly, I don't think he's going to do as well as we'd expect from a 2nd rounder. Had he been a 4th rounder, I'm good with what he does out there. But he took up a 2nd round pick.

Since when is a 2nd rounder used as a situational player, limited on which down-and-distance situations exist during the game? You shouldn't, IMO. Unless he is so super-duper that he's worth the limited time.

Is he worth it? I don't think so.

In fact, I'm not too high on ANY of our d-line players right now.
Wrong perspective! You're still thinking like an expansion franchise... Pittsburgh Steelers usually don't start their first or second round picks for at least one season, often those guys don't even see the field except on special teams. New England is the same way. Here are a few examples, off the top of my head:

Troy Polamalu
B. Meriweather
L.Timmons
Woodley
L. Sweed

there's a few off the top of my head.

Drafting for immediate contribution is short-sighted. If the Texans were confident Barwin would become a great DE, then they shouldn't avoid him simply because he may take 1-2 seasons to develop into a good one.
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Looked like he was providing some pressure yesterday.

He is contributing by the way. It may not be a lot but he isn't exactly playing a lot is he? Now with SF 21 down (clearly they knew) they starting slinging the ball he should've been in on 2nds and maybe a few 1st downs pinning his ears back to get to the QB. He also gives Frank Bush the ability to throw in some zone blitzes to confuse....somebody.
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Wrong perspective! You're still thinking like an expansion franchise... Pittsburgh Steelers usually don't start their first or second round picks for at least one season, often those guys don't even see the field except on special teams. New England is the same way. Here are a few examples, off the top of my head:

Troy Polamalu
B. Meriweather
L.Timmons
Woodley
L. Sweed

there's a few off the top of my head.

Drafting for immediate contribution is short-sighted. If the Texans were confident Barwin would become a great DE, then they shouldn't avoid him simply because he may take 1-2 seasons to develop into a good one.
I expect 1st and 2nd rounders to play immediately, and to do very well.

This pick, where it was made and upon whom it was made, was a reach IMO.
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Default Re: When will Connor Barwin turn the corner?

Barwin will be fine, there is always room for an athletic pass rushing specialist. I expect him to get better, just as the defensive unit shows steady improvement. Get us a freaking Safety!
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Default Re: When will Connor Barwin turn the corner?

The negativity surrounding this guy is suffocatingly stupid. Some expectations around here need some serious reeling in. I'm as optomistic as anyone (I think I put him down for 7 sacks on a poll) but if the best outcome possible isn't what happened please, don't just freak out instead. He plays more than some would think, contributes when he does and added something the team didn't have. For a 2nd round pick that's dynamite. No, it's not a nuclear bomb but we drafted that guy in the 1st!

Get real. 2nd round picks don't start on good teams. They contribute. Who is starting from this 2nd round that we could've had? Laraunitis is the only one I can think of and he was gone way before the texans pick.
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I think Barwin's doing great! You guys are nuts. Sacks aren't the only thing one looks at.
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I think Barwin's doing great! You guys are nuts. Sacks aren't the only thing one looks at.
It is for a highly drafted pass rush only specialist?
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It is for a highly drafted pass rush only specialist?
No, it is not.

The kid puts pressure on QBs. He's also got his eyes on the ball. Swatted down a couple of passes (if not more). He's off to a promising start and I'm pretty happy with it.
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No, it is not.

The kid puts pressure on QBs. He's also got his eyes on the ball. Swatted down a couple of passes (if not more). He's off to a promising start and I'm pretty happy with it.
we will agree to disagree. He's been damn near invisible for 7 games.
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It is for a highly drafted pass rush only specialist?
No it isn't. Affecting the passing game is what counts. Sometimes that is sacks. Mario isn't getting tons of those either, but both he and Barwin are consistently making the QB move, making him dump the ball, throw on the move, etc. That is affecting the passing game. The Texans are now middle of the league on passer rating against them. That's a big improvement.
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