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Old 10-25-2009   #1
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... is killing me. I've always been of the mindset that I prefer a every-down back that can give me a steady diet of 4-yd. gains than one who takes losses and then pops a big one. I know different people have different views on that, so fine. Slaton clearly falls into the latter category, so it's always been hard for me to get behind him as an every-down back.

But the fumbles are killing whatever enthusiasm I force myself to come up with for the guy. I love the screens and pitches, as that's the role I envision for him anyway, but if he can't hang onto the ball, I don't want him on the field. If we can't run the ball, we may as well not have the associated fumbles. If he fumbles again next week, I'm starting the official "Fire Steve Slaton" thread.
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I have more faith in Jacoby fielding a punt than I do in Slaton running the ball. That says it all.
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Fumbles are part of the game. I would not go to that extreme you talk about in your post. He will work on it and cut them down imo, but if you are an aggressive back in the NFL, it will always be a part of the game.......
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Default Re: Slaton's Fumbling

Slaton's tied with the league lead in fumbles with four. That doesn't count the several times fumbles have been overturned by replay. He puts the ball on the ground far too much for what he brings in the running game.

At this point, I would only use him for screens and as a receiver but someone else has got to run the rock IMO.
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He needs to find Tiki Barber's number.
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Default Re: Slaton's Fumbling

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Fumbles are part of the game. I would not go to that extreme you talk about in your post. He will work on it and cut them down imo, but if you are an aggressive back in the NFL, it will always be a part of the game.......
He carries the ball in traffic the same way he carries it in the open field - out to the side, in the crook of his arm. You have to get two arms on the ball in traffic and get it in tight to your body. If he's been working on that, it sure isn't translating to his play, because we see the same thing in the replays every time.
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He carries the ball in traffic the same way he carries it in the open field - out to the side, in the crook of his arm. You have to get two arms on the ball in traffic and get it in tight to your body. If he's been working on that, it sure isn't translating to his play, because we see the same thing in the replays every time.
I saw some of it once he came back after his benching.
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Default Re: Slaton's Fumbling

chris brown is the better RUNNING BACK this season. slaton needs to be relegated to a reggie bush receiver/decoy/screen type role until he figures it out. honestly, i really think brown and slaton should be reversed in their roles - brown toting the rock between the 20's and slaton giving us more options near the goalline and on short yardage situations. we block downhill with brown carrying, as opposed to hoping for a lane for slaton to find - creating excessive and unnecessary penetration against our weak interior line. bring in moats to split time with brown and mix slaton into the formations that work for the offense instead of forcing the offense through slaton.

and for the fumbles, slaton should absolutely be sat next week. we know kubiak is going to give his players every opportunity to try to make plays even more so when they're struggling (sage and schaub being the key examples), but this is getting out of hand. if we're counting the plays he's gotten an overturn from, slaton's averaging more than a fumble per game.
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Default Re: Slaton's Fumbling

There is no way in hell Slaton should be benched. He is easily the best playmaker in the backfield and he poses a big threat every time he touches the ball, especially if they can get it to him on screen passes and such. He is much quicker and faster than Brown. He will get his fumblitis straightened out, even if it means giving up at the end of plays and going down. His fumbles are a result of him trying to do too much.
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chris brown is the better RUNNING BACK this season. slaton needs to be relegated to a reggie bush receiver/decoy/screen type role until he figures it out. honestly, i really think brown and slaton should be reversed in their roles - brown toting the rock between the 20's and slaton giving us more options near the goalline and on short yardage situations. we block downhill with brown carrying, as opposed to hoping for a lane for slaton to find - creating excessive and unnecessary penetration against our weak interior line. bring in moats to split time with brown and mix slaton into the formations that work for the offense instead of forcing the offense through slaton.

and for the fumbles, slaton should absolutely be sat next week. we know kubiak is going to give his players every opportunity to try to make plays even more so when they're struggling (sage and schaub being the key examples), but this is getting out of hand. if we're counting the plays he's gotten an overturn from, slaton's averaging more than a fumble per game.
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His thumb was bothering him during the game, is this a factor?
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There is no way in hell Slaton should be benched. He is easily the best playmaker in the backfield and he poses a big threat every time he touches the ball, especially if they can get it to him on screen passes and such. He is much quicker and faster than Brown. He will get his fumblitis straightened out, even if it means giving up at the end of plays and going down. His fumbles are a result of him trying to do too much.
Then why didn't he have this problem last year? And I dispute your contention that's he's the best playmaker in the backfield. Moats has been more effective this year. Why he's not playing more is a mystery to me.
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Slatons fumbles are the OLs fault in my opinion. Slaton is having to fight for every yard like he's never had to before. He leaves himself open to guys stripping the ball more than any back Ive seen. He refuses to go down from the first hit.

Hes not coughing the ball up randomly. Those fumbles are the work of guys literally pulling and pulling at the ball.
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He may not be benched, but this has become a common trend that is concering. It seems like his extra efforts are what's that problem with his fumblitis. Take what you can get and that's it. Better to be safe than to turn the ball over. Word.
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i know it's procedure to see the points he's putting on the board, especially after a win, but how many points has slaton taken OFF the board? jets was inside the 20 (they scored off of). today was on the opponent's 33 (they scored off of). he has 5 other fumbles and two of them lost which i'll have to go back and find. is his dynamic play winning the numbers?
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Then why didn't he have this problem last year? And I dispute your contention that's he's the best playmaker in the backfield. Moats has been more effective this year. Why he's not playing more is a mystery to me.
lol, there goes that credibility. Moats had one ok game. Slaton has scored 4 times in the past 2 weeks. Like the fumbles or not, he's been a HUGE factor for us. They announcers put up a stat today that said SLaton is 3rd in the NFL for total yards per game over the last 3 or 4 weeks.
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Slatons fumbles are the OLs fault in my opinion. Slaton is having to fight for every yard like he's never had to before. He leaves himself open to guys stripping the ball more than any back Ive seen. He refuses to go down from the first hit.

Hes not coughing the ball up randomly. Those fumbles are the work of guys literally pulling and pulling at the ball.
And that's the part that's on him. When he gets in traffic, he needs to cover it up. No excuse for that.
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And that's the part that's on him. When he gets in traffic, he needs to cover it up. No excuse for that.
What I meant by "leaves himself open" is that whether hes got 2 hands or not, he's taking 2 or 3 seconds to go down every time he runs up ht emiddle. Most guys get hit, fall down. Slaton is getting stood up or trying to lose guys every single time he gets hit in the middle. As such, he's giving guys an extra 2 or 3 seconds to get other defenders in there to help strip the ball every single time.

The other problem with fumbling is that it begets more fumbling. You get labeled as a fumbler and guys start trying to stand you up and strip the ball
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