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Old 10-14-2009   #1
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Have the link in my blog--item #3.

As is discussed in the comments, they are actually younger than what is listed because of Pitts and Ferguson being out.

The Texans have the fewest number of starters over the age of 30. Interestingly, many of the youngest teams are the worst teams (there's some bad old teams too). Check it:

The youngest teams in the league (all in the 26 yo range)

Hou 2-3
Phi 3-1
Jax 2-3
KC 0-5
Buf 1-4
Oak 1-4 (fixed, wrote it down wrong)
Det 1-4
StL 0-5

Non-surprise that the Texans do not play consistent, smart football.
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I know it's difficult to believe, but the Raiders have actually won a game. Just FYI.

Experience counts in this league. We've seen great players take a few years before they can be considered elite, and it's a rare feat when a rookie looks like a Pro Bowler. I can't think of many that have been able to do that, outside of running backs.
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TC,

Great post. Interesting note on Schaubs numbers and interesting to think he might not be 100%.

I'm kind of puzzled by some of the comments left by your guests. Seem to be split like the later years of Dom Capers. Some were willing to wait around because of the Expansion tag and others were pointing out bad drafts, signings and lack of developing in house talent.

Personally I'm seeing something similar. Not that we are bereft of talent like the last year for Capers but, I'm left wondering really how much talent have we developed here and have we made really that much more intelligent FA acquisitions?

I'm also seeing similar comments about goal line situations. If a widespread amount of FANS can recognize we don't have what it takes to punch it in with one yard needed how come our coaches can't?
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If the defense ever gells, we'll be hell on wheels.
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I get the feeling that when it all comes together, it's going to come together all at once, and we'll come out of nowhere to fight Indy for the division. If the defense solidifies, this team could be perennial playoff contenders.
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Looked like it all came together 2nd half of arizona. Heard a caller say we started the zona game like we ended the oakland game. Found that interesting.
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I imagine that we will continue to be one of the youngest teams for a while, since it is likely that we will continue to have to put rookies in on defense straight out of the draft.
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Looked like it all came together 2nd half of arizona. Heard a caller say we started the zona game like we ended the oakland game. Found that interesting.
Makes sense.

One of the Giants players said playing Oakland was basically like a scrimmage...
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Interestingly, many of the youngest teams are the worst teams (there's some bad old teams too). Check it:
FYI - worst teams ususally want to start over and not surprisingly they often do so with young players - it's called rebuilding.
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I imagine that we will continue to be one of the youngest teams for a while, since it is likely that we will continue to have to put rookies in on defense straight out of the draft.
Not if at some point those players pan out or the team starts to sign low end veteran FAs instead of assuming that guys like Barber will step up without legitimate veteran competition.
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Not if at some point those players pan out or the team starts to sign low end veteran FAs instead of assuming that guys like Barber will step up without legitimate veteran competition.
True, i just meant that i think there is a good chance that will see a rookie starting next year at either DT, S, or CB, especially with taking a look at the draft calss.
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I imagine that we will continue to be one of the youngest teams for a while, since it is likely that we will continue to have to put rookies in on defense straight out of the draft.
If you whiff in your drafts, and treat draft picks like they aren't worth anything, then all sorts of players that you should have developed and should be vets now for this team aren't.

Very few quality players left on this team that the Texans early high draft picks have to show....

Andre Johnson
Dunta Robinson
Chester Pitts (now injured)

There's others that are playing reasonable minutes for other teams....

Jabar Gaffney, uh, not sure who else
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Not if at some point those players pan out or the team starts to sign low end veteran FAs instead of assuming that guys like Barber will step up without legitimate veteran competition.
Yeah, a while back there was some sort of study done on which team is drafting best by evaluating which teams kept their draftees. I thought that was peculiar.

Sometimes, it is smart teams that are willing to give playing time to vets who know what they are doing over newbies who don't. It takes talent in evaluating low end free agents and how they might fit what you are doing. Not sure the Texans are good at doing this.
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We have been hearing "We will build through the draft for how many years now?" Unfortunately, the Texans have taken this premise almost to the ridiculous. Youth is a double edged sword. If you look at the good teams, it's a healthy mix of decent established veterans with promising youngsters. We've missed on "value" choices of veterans. We've misjudge on too many key high draft choices. And the wisdom of the choice of our high cost transaction for the most important position, QB, is to this day still very much in question. This is not even to mention the running of the team with a "rookie" owner, rookie general manager, rookie HC, rookie DC, and an OC that is still looking for his first pubic hair. Rookies in any facet of the game can be expected to make mistakes. Mistakes can be excused, if you choose. No doubt, though, these mistakes lead to inconsistency and losses. The question then becomes, how long are you willing to accept and painfully endure the present "building" theorem? Another year? Another decade? Another................?
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I'm sure the Texans aren't good at evaluating low end FA talent.

Bobby Greir is the director of pro player personel. Enough said

I dont understand why it took Smithiak 2 games to sign Pollard. He should have been signed as soon as he was cut by K.C. It cost the Texans the Jacksonville game.

Oh well signing Pollard after the season started saved McNair money and they didn't have to garuntee Pollard money.

It's decisions like this that are going to keep the Texans around 7-9,8-8,9-7.

Whoever made this decision (Smith, Kubes or Greir) should be fired. On second thought Greir should've already been fired. IMO
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FYI - worst teams ususally want to start over and not surprisingly they often do so with young players - it's called rebuilding.
Right so that leaves us to just...building then?
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We have been hearing "We will build through the draft for how many years now?" Unfortunately, the Texans have taken this premise almost to the ridiculous. Youth is a double edged sword. If you look at the good teams, it's a healthy mix of decent established veterans with promising youngsters. We've missed on "value" choices of veterans. We've misjudge on too many key high draft choices. And the wisdom of the choice of our high cost transaction for the most important position, QB, is to this day still very much in question. This is not even to mention the running of the team with a "rookie" owner, rookie general manager, rookie HC, rookie DC, and an OC that is still looking for his first pubic hair. Rookies in any facet of the game can be expected to make mistakes. Mistakes can be excused, if you choose. No doubt, though, these mistakes lead to inconsistency and losses. The question then becomes, how long are you willing to accept and painfully endure the present "building" theorem? Another year? Another decade? Another................?
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This is what I've been saying.

It all starts with McNair.

You ask good questions. The answer so far is eight years and counting.

Meanwhile Uncle BoB is somewhere in the background counting the fortune he has made off of the GREAT FANS OF THE HOUSTON TEXANS.

Sorry gotta spread the rep
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Bobby Greir is the director of pro player personel. Enough said
Grier is the Associate Director of Pro Personnel for the Texans. Brian Gardner is the Director of Pro Personnel.

Grier seems to get the lions share of the blame for whatever failings the Texans have in free agency. While Smith and Kubiak get all of the credit when something goes right. Grier may be a worthless talent evaluator. That wouldn't surprise me. But, he can't take the blame for the Texans shortcomings in player acquisitions. That has to fall to the men in charge...Smith and Kubiak.
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We have been hearing "We will build through the draft for how many years now?" Unfortunately, the Texans have taken this premise almost to the ridiculous. Youth is a double edged sword. If you look at the good teams, it's a healthy mix of decent established veterans with promising youngsters. We've missed on "value" choices of veterans. We've misjudge on too many key high draft choices. And the wisdom of the choice of our high cost transaction for the most important position, QB, is to this day still very much in question. This is not even to mention the running of the team with a "rookie" owner, rookie general manager, rookie HC, rookie DC, and an OC that is still looking for his first pubic hair. Rookies in any facet of the game can be expected to make mistakes. Mistakes can be excused, if you choose. No doubt, though, these mistakes lead to inconsistency and losses. The question then becomes, how long are you willing to accept and painfully endure the present "building" theorem? Another year? Another decade? Another................?
I am going use your post as jumping off point.


The problem with purely claiming that you will build through the draft is that an NFL team needs 22 starters. I am going to assume that the first 4 rounds of the draft are guys who are expected starters (probably generous). The texans also seem to sign 1 really high dollar FA per off-season. To get 22 starters, it takes over 4 years w/o any mistakes (top 4 round plus the high end FA signing) for any reason to get a starting line-up.

Of course, that is unrealistic, so as an organization , you have to add players, starters not just depth from other sources: late in the draft, undrafted FAs, street FAs, or low end veteran FAs who provide value/worth beyond their relative low cost. Every real good team has multiple above average starters acquired from low end sources. When we look at the Texans which above average starters come from somthing other than high draft picks(5th round or later) or high dollar FAs? I stop and start with Kevin Walter and there is some question if he is clearly above average.
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I am going use your post as jumping off point.


The problem with purely claiming that you will build through the draft is that an NFL team needs 22 starters. I am going to assume that the first 4 rounds of the draft are guys who are expected starters (probably generous). The texans also seem to sign 1 really high dollar FA per off-season. To get 22 starters, it takes over 4 years w/o any mistakes (top 4 round plus the high end FA signing) for any reason to get a starting line-up.

Of course, that is unrealistic, so as an organization , you have to add players, starters not just depth from other sources: late in the draft, undrafted FAs, street FAs, or low end veteran FAs who provide value/worth beyond their relative low cost. Every real good team has multiple above average starters acquired from low end sources. When we look at the Texans which above average starters come from somthing other than high draft picks(5th round or later) or high dollar FAs? I stop and start with Kevin Walter and there is some question if he is clearly above average.
There's not a lot of guys to choose from.

Diles was a late rounder who has been very good. Quite possibly our best coverage linebacker, and a solid run defender.
Walter was acquired for a late round pick and has had above average production.
Smith was a big FA who has gotten a lot of pressure on the QB(12 pressures so far) but hasn't been what I expected in run defense. I would say he's slightly above average.

I've said it before, hate Asserly as much as you want, but he brought in more Pro bowlers than Smith has quality starters.
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