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Old 10-14-2009   #1
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Maybe someone smarter than me can explain this:

The coaching staff believes that the goal line/short yard package is our best bet to get 1 yard (stated by them numerous times).

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Coach Matthews says yes Myers may get pushed around by 300 lbs. nose tackles, but he's not supposed to stop them, he is supposed to hit/chip and get to the second level. Our linemen aren't big, they're finnesse players.


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Old 10-14-2009   #2
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Cool Re: Coaching oxymoron

Sorry, that may be a paradox not an oxymoron...
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I guess they are saying that Chris is not going to blow his player back, but should be able to hold his ground so that a fullback and big runningback can punch it in.

I dont know... I got nothing...
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It is the Jedi mind trick thingy and it is now turned on you. Don't believe what you see but what the coaches tell you you see. Hey my dad told me this years ago.
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I played o-line than ran the one cut and go so here is the defintion of a chip block:

When the o-line is small they run a block called a chip block. Lets say we are running a zone to the right, and there is a d-linemen on the centers left. The centers job is to hit the dlineman until his leftguard comes and takes over. the leftguard "bumps" the center off where he climbs to the next level and blocks a linebacker. This block is good for smaller linemen cause you get help for that split second stopping the bullrush giving you time to get your head across and run. The problem is this doesnt work on the goalline. On the goalline you just duck your head and drive...if you try to chip block the linebacker will be in the runningbacks lap.
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Maybe someone smarter than me can explain this:

The coaching staff believes that the goal line/short yard package is our best bet to get 1 yard (stated by them numerous times).

AND

Coach Matthews says yes Myers may get pushed around by 300 lbs. nose tackles, but he's not supposed to stop them, he is supposed to hit/chip and get to the second level. Our linemen aren't big, they're finnesse players.


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What's the second level in the end zone?
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That's where you'll find Chris Brown's fumble...
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Default Re: Coaching oxymoron

Our short yardage run is not supposed to be behind a lineman; it's supposed to be between two linemen.

Case in point: The Chris Brown's run earlier in the game.
He followed Leach who got upfield between Myers and Studdard.
Studdard was blown back by a mile, but it did not matter!

The problem with the second run was that Studdard allowed his man to slant inside and cut off the running lane for Leach and the RB.
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I played o-line than ran the one cut and go so here is the defintion of a chip block:

When the o-line is small they run a block called a chip block. Lets say we are running a zone to the right, and there is a d-linemen on the centers left. The centers job is to hit the dlineman until his leftguard comes and takes over. the leftguard "bumps" the center off where he climbs to the next level and blocks a linebacker. This block is good for smaller linemen cause you get help for that split second stopping the bullrush giving you time to get your head across and run. The problem is this doesnt work on the goalline. On the goalline you just duck your head and drive...if you try to chip block the linebacker will be in the runningbacks lap.
Very good explanation. Unfortunately, it shows that the call at the goalline was not the smartest they could have made. The scenario you described is exactly what happened.
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Our short yardage run is not supposed to be behind a lineman; it's supposed to be between two linemen.
So in theory our smallish linemen are craftily going to use their specially taught skills to open up a run lane with about 16 guys crammed into a 2 yard by 4 yard box?
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Very good explanation. Unfortunately, it shows that the call at the goalline was not the smartest they could have made. The scenario you described is exactly what happened.
i wasn't disagreeing just explaining what a chipblock was
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It really is a double problem...the line and RBs who can't run in tight spaces. Guys like Emmitt and others who were TD machines could find the creases and get the push even in a pile. These RBs hot the pile and stop. So the line isn't getting it done but you need a back that can make something out of it too.
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It really is a double problem...the line and RBs who can't run in tight spaces. Guys like Emmitt and others who were TD machines could find the creases and get the push even in a pile. These RBs hot the pile and stop. So the line isn't getting it done but you need a back that can make something out of it too.
Soooooo, it should feel like kissing your sister every time a coach says that's their best goal line/1 yard play?
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So in theory our smallish linemen are craftily going to use their specially taught skills to open up a run lane with about 16 guys crammed into a 2 yard by 4 yard box?
Each play will require different blocking techniques; I have no idea why Kubiak and/or Shannahan likes this play so much they ran it at least 3 times, successfully only once.
Personally, I don't prefer this call, but what can I do?

I also agree with Frog that we're better off with a back that can find the crease; and that would be either Slaton or Moats.
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Each play will require different blocking techniques; I have no idea why Kubiak and/or Shannahan likes this play so much they ran it at least 3 times, successfully only once.
Personally, I don't prefer this call, but what can I do?

I also agree with Frog that we're better off with a back that can find the crease; and that would be either Slaton or Moats.
Oh, I wasn't mocking you, sorry if it sounded that way.
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So in theory our smallish linemen are craftily going to use their specially taught skills to open up a run lane with about 16 guys crammed into a 2 yard by 4 yard box?
Maybe the Texans should just trot out their regular offense every time and make the defense cover different options rather than announce to the world Chris Brown is going to run up the middle.
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Maybe the Texans should just trot out their regular offense every time and make the defense cover different options rather than announce to the world Chris Brown is going to run up the middle.
I cried when someone (you?) posted the quote from the AZ D Lineman something like "We saw that play previously, so we knew exactly what was coming."
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OTOH, when they are playing in your backfield, I guess the second level would actually be the line of scrimmage.
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