What kind of guard could Winston be? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Jackie Chiles · 10-12-2009

Let me preface this by saying that what I am about to say is not something that I am hopeful will happen or even that I believe it should happen. Think of this as an exercise of a bored and frustrated fan. In reality I would say the chances of Winston seeing meaningful time at guard are slim to none. Slim if we get a new set of coaches and GM, none if the current set stays the same.

So here is the scenario: We finish up the rest of this season at 8-8 give or take a game either way. Our running game does not improve like we are hoping it will. The draft rolls around and sitting there at our pick in the middle of round 1 is a nice big talented RT prospect.

Do you get the itch to draft him and slide Winston to guard?
If so, which guard position is he best suited?
Is he too tall to play guard?
Is he being paid too much for a guard?
What kind of a transition period would he need to feel comfortable?

Mostly I am looking for ways to bring in some bulk and talent to our interior line. I think Winston might fit that description and he also has good athleticism for his size. This scenario is not ideal, obviously, because we would be ignoring some glaring needs in the secondary and defense in general but I think it might make for some decent discussion. Let me know what you think.

76Texan · 10-12-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

Let me preface this by saying that what I am about to say is not something that I am hopeful will happen or even that I believe it should happen. Think of this as an exercise of a bored and frustrated fan. In reality I would say the chances of Winston seeing meaningful time at guard are slim to none. Slim if we get a new set of coaches and GM, none if the current set stays the same.

So here is the scenario: We finish up the rest of this season at 8-8 give or take a game either way. Our running game does not improve like we are hoping it will. The draft rolls around and sitting there at our pick in the middle of round 1 is a nice big talented RT prospect.

Do you get the itch to draft him and slide Winston to guard?
If so, which guard position is he best suited?
Is he too tall to play guard?
Is he being paid too much for a guard?
What kind of a transition period would he need to feel comfortable?

Mostly I am looking for ways to bring in some bulk and talent to our interior line. I think Winston might fit that description and he also has good athleticism for his size. This scenario is not ideal, obviously, because we would be ignoring some glaring needs in the secondary and defense in general but I think it might make for some decent discussion. Let me know what you think.

If I was to do it:

1. Draft a RT
Slide Winston to RG
3. If I can, I will try to find a C who is as athletic as Myers but stronger.
Slide Myers to LG where he played for the Broncos.

DONE!

TheRealJoker · 10-12-2009

Have the Texans ever worked him at guard? Winston and Brown are the only two guys on the OL that can get a consistent push in the running game. I wouldn't mind shifting him over to guard and having Butler come in at RT if it means we can gain a yard every now and then!!!

m5kwatts · 10-12-2009

I can tell you already that Winston would hate the idea. Someone should call and ask him on 610 tomorrow, beware though you might get chewed out lol.

**Runner** · 10-12-2009

What kind of guard would he be? Too tall.

The shorter, heavy tackles would get under his pads and push him around. He's a tackle.

TimeKiller · 10-12-2009

I don't really think the course of action should hypothetically be changing Winston to G but getting better Gs. I think Winston is a pretty decent RT and we've got 2 good starting OTs but making the interior stronger shouldn't take away from the outsides. Brisiel doesn't get beat up as much as Myers or Studdard but he's not much of a bulldozer either. It doesn't matter how athletic you can make an OL if they can't take block when it's time to block. Clearly, VERY clearly the answer is to have stronger (even if slower) guys in the middle. At least one for cheese's sake. ONE guy you can get into any situation (like, the ones we seem to be a part of on a weekly basis...coincidence?) and say that guy will push a mountain 1 yard if he has to.

What kind of G would Winston be? The same kind of T he is with Myers and Studdard manning the middle.

Jackie Chiles · 10-12-2009

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Originally Posted by Runner

What kind of guard would he be? Too tall.

The shorter, heavy tackles would get under his pads and push him around. He's a tackle.

Fair criticism but there are some great tall guards out there. Hutchinson is 6'5, Steinbach is 6'6, Gallery was (injured now I believe) playing real well at guard at about 6'7, Leonard Davis is at least 6'6.

dtran04 · 10-12-2009

On the subject of guards, it will be interesting since Brisel looks like he will be out. Either White or Caldwell will have to step in.

Goatcheese · 10-13-2009

Why don't we just try out some unbalanced line? Put Winston and Brown side by side so you have a solid plug. Sort of like the Wildcat, but leaving the QB in to manage the play.

TE - LG - C - RG - RT - LT - TE

thunderkyss · 10-13-2009

Eric Winston is our biggest problem in the running game, and our biggest liability in the passing game. If we're going to slide him anywhere, it needs to be towards the direction of the bench.

I'm watching our first possesion of the second half of tha Arizona game.
2&1 Hou-22 Darnel Docket Blows by Eric Winston & Molests Slaton in the backfield.
3&1 Hou-22 Winston throws the most pathetic cut block I've ever seen, misses Gerald Hayes who goes on to abuse Slaton some more.

I just happen to be watching these plays, as I read this thread...... but they are very, very, very common.

**kiwitexansfan** · 10-13-2009

Disgruntled?

Guards get paid far less than tackles in general.

thunderkyss · 10-13-2009

Our next possesion, Haggens beats Winston around the edge, and hit's Schaub's arm as he throws.

About 4 plays later, Haggens beats Winston again around the edge, Brisiel is mauled, & Schaub ischased out of the pocket because of it.

dalemurphy · 10-13-2009

I think this is an excellent idea. If the Texans really want their best 5 linemen out there. I think the Oline would be better than it's been all season with this lineup:

Brown, Caldwell, Myers/White, Winston, Butler

Butler is definitely better in pass protection, IMO. that would make the right side of the line highly athletic. Butler is excellent at cutting on the backside. We would by physically much stronger at guard and more athletic at tackle. Man, too bad it won't happen!

**badboy** · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Disgruntled?

Guards get paid far less than tackles in general.

Pitts was a LT (big old check) that moved to Guard.

76Texan · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I think this is an excellent idea. If the Texans really want their best 5 linemen out there. I think the Oline would be better than it's been all season with this lineup:

Brown, Caldwell, Myers/White, Winston, Butler

Butler is definitely better in pass protection, IMO. that would make the right side of the line highly athletic. Butler is excellent at cutting on the backside. We would by physically much stronger at guard and more athletic at tackle. Man, too bad it won't happen!

I don't mind seeing this.
I would rotate Caldwell and White at one Guard spot though.

nero THE zero · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by Runner

What kind of guard would he be? Too tall.

The shorter, heavy tackles would get under his pads and push him around. He's a tackle.

He's only an inch taller than Pitts and the same height as Brisiel.

nero THE zero · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Disgruntled?

Guards get paid far less than tackles in general.

Winston just signed a $30M contract and is signed through 2013.

76Texan · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by nero THE zero

Winston just signed a $30M contract and is signed through 2013.

Winston probably wouldn't mind the move inside then!
And he shouldn't!

Goldensilence · 10-13-2009

Does anyone else find it coincidental that with Weary playing RG Winston was looking like one of the better young RT in the league. Enter Mike Brisiel and suddenly Winston doesn't look so good.

People might want to blame Winston, but I think there should be more blame on the guards play( or lack of).

I'm not keen on the idea myself, but if it puts Brisiel and Studdard on the bench for the foreseeable future. I'm down.

76Texan · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by Goldensilence

Does anyone else find it coincidental that with Weary playing RG Winston was looking like one of the better young RT in the league. Enter Mike Brisiel and suddenly Winston doesn't look so good.

People might want to blame Winston, but I think there should be more blame on the guards play( or lack of).

I'm not keen on the idea myself, but if it puts Brisiel and Studdard on the bench for the foreseeable future. I'm down.

I really don't know.
Maybe we had Weary helping out Winston more.
But now that he's a vet, they put him on an island almost exclusively.

At any rate, I was just listening to Winston on 610 radio.
He said it's still up in the air whether it's White or Caldwell at Guard.

He tried hard to avoid the question of having Butler at RT and him moving into Guard.

But at the end, he said he would do whatever it takes for the good of the team.
What I thought he'd said!

10-12-2009	#1
Jackie Chiles Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston Age: 29 Posts: 1,800 Rep Power: 2325	What kind of guard could Winston be? Let me preface this by saying that what I am about to say is not something that I am hopeful will happen or even that I believe it should happen. Think of this as an exercise of a bored and frustrated fan. In reality I would say the chances of Winston seeing meaningful time at guard are slim to none. Slim if we get a new set of coaches and GM, none if the current set stays the same. So here is the scenario: We finish up the rest of this season at 8-8 give or take a game either way. Our running game does not improve like we are hoping it will. The draft rolls around and sitting there at our pick in the middle of round 1 is a nice big talented RT prospect. Do you get the itch to draft him and slide Winston to guard? If so, which guard position is he best suited? Is he too tall to play guard? Is he being paid too much for a guard? What kind of a transition period would he need to feel comfortable? Mostly I am looking for ways to bring in some bulk and talent to our interior line. I think Winston might fit that description and he also has good athleticism for his size. This scenario is not ideal, obviously, because we would be ignoring some glaring needs in the secondary and defense in general but I think it might make for some decent discussion. Let me know what you think. __________________ "If the bra don't fit, you must acquit"

10-12-2009	#3
TheRealJoker Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Conroe Age: 25 Posts: 3,563 Rep Power: 2772	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? Have the Texans ever worked him at guard? Winston and Brown are the only two guys on the OL that can get a consistent push in the running game. I wouldn't mind shifting him over to guard and having Butler come in at RT if it means we can gain a yard every now and then!!! __________________ What did the city of Houston do to anger the football gods?

10-12-2009	#4
m5kwatts Hall of Fame Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,970 Rep Power: 875	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? I can tell you already that Winston would hate the idea. Someone should call and ask him on 610 tomorrow, beware though you might get chewed out lol.

10-12-2009	#5
Runner Hubcap Diamond Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,436 Rep Power: 6068	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? What kind of guard would he be? Too tall. The shorter, heavy tackles would get under his pads and push him around. He's a tackle. __________________ Amy glances out the window; her hair, skin, and clothes take on a pronounced reddish tinge from Doppler effect as she drops out of the conversation at relativistic velocity. - Cryptonomicon

10-12-2009	#6
TimeKiller Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: This giant tree, standing 10,000 ft. high but not reaching the ground. It's roots must hold the sky. Section: 521/Couch Age: 26 Posts: 7,648 Rep Power: 0	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? I don't really think the course of action should hypothetically be changing Winston to G but getting better Gs. I think Winston is a pretty decent RT and we've got 2 good starting OTs but making the interior stronger shouldn't take away from the outsides. Brisiel doesn't get beat up as much as Myers or Studdard but he's not much of a bulldozer either. It doesn't matter how athletic you can make an OL if they can't take block when it's time to block. Clearly, VERY clearly the answer is to have stronger (even if slower) guys in the middle. At least one for cheese's sake. ONE guy you can get into any situation (like, the ones we seem to be a part of on a weekly basis...coincidence?) and say that guy will push a mountain 1 yard if he has to. What kind of G would Winston be? The same kind of T he is with Myers and Studdard manning the middle.

10-12-2009	#8
dtran04 Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 27 Posts: 1,456 Rep Power: 1226	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? On the subject of guards, it will be interesting since Brisel looks like he will be out. Either White or Caldwell will have to step in.

10-13-2009	#9
Goatcheese Nightmare Over Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 4,499 Rep Power: 21802	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? Why don't we just try out some unbalanced line? Put Winston and Brown side by side so you have a solid plug. Sort of like the Wildcat, but leaving the QB in to manage the play. TE - LG - C - RG - RT - LT - TE __________________ “Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.” -Arthur Schopenhauer

10-13-2009	#10
thunderkyss Hopkins Beyatch Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pt Arthur Texas Age: 40 Posts: 25,722 Rep Power: 51478	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? Eric Winston is our biggest problem in the running game, and our biggest liability in the passing game. If we're going to slide him anywhere, it needs to be towards the direction of the bench. I'm watching our first possesion of the second half of tha Arizona game. 2&1 Hou-22 Darnel Docket Blows by Eric Winston & Molests Slaton in the backfield. 3&1 Hou-22 Winston throws the most pathetic cut block I've ever seen, misses Gerald Hayes who goes on to abuse Slaton some more. I just happen to be watching these plays, as I read this thread...... but they are very, very, very common. __________________ I swear it's for real this time! Last edited by thunderkyss; 10-13-2009 at 02:08 AM.

10-13-2009	#11
kiwitexansfan Bring Him Back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 35 Posts: 7,903 Rep Power: 7242	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? Disgruntled? Guards get paid far less than tackles in general. __________________ All random posts made entirely of smilies courtesy of kiwitexansfanjr -age 4

10-13-2009	#13
dalemurphy Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Austin Section: Bullpen/ 636 Age: 39 Posts: 5,165 Rep Power: 10996	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? I think this is an excellent idea. If the Texans really want their best 5 linemen out there. I think the Oline would be better than it's been all season with this lineup: Brown, Caldwell, Myers/White, Winston, Butler Butler is definitely better in pass protection, IMO. that would make the right side of the line highly athletic. Butler is excellent at cutting on the backside. We would by physically much stronger at guard and more athletic at tackle. Man, too bad it won't happen!

10-13-2009	#19
Goldensilence Is this Sparta? Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Out of the desert finally... Age: 31 Posts: 5,026 Rep Power: 6218	Re: What kind of guard could Winston be? Does anyone else find it coincidental that with Weary playing RG Winston was looking like one of the better young RT in the league. Enter Mike Brisiel and suddenly Winston doesn't look so good. People might want to blame Winston, but I think there should be more blame on the guards play( or lack of). I'm not keen on the idea myself, but if it puts Brisiel and Studdard on the bench for the foreseeable future. I'm down.

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