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Old 10-12-2009   #1
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Watch the 3 TDs we scored in super slo-mo, and you will see that Myers did a good job overall.

On the TD run, Studdard and Dreessen were both blown up terribly, yet we can still score, with Leach ramming it up between Studdard and Myers, allowing the RB to go in on the inside of Leach.

On one of the TD catches, Myers blocked two guys in space, allowing AJ to walk into the endzone (with other guys doing their jobs well also).

On the other TD, Myers got help from Leach to give Schaub all the time in the world to throw the ball.

On the failed goal-line attempt, Studdard had inside position, but allowed his man to cut underneath him; that hindered Leach from moving his legs to drive after he was stopped cold. (Yes, the main thing here is that Leach was stopped cold behind the LOS.) Brisiel and Winston pushed a defender into the backfield, but the guy ended up behind the DT who was on Myers. This also made it hard for Myers and any other guy who came in and want to push Chris Brown into the endzone.

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Default Re: Chris Myers is still our Center

The other thing is that if you wish to see Caldwell in there, I want to ask whether you have seen him play against the back up in the Saints game?

Do you know that he was owned the whole third quarter by the guy?

He played better in the fourth quarter at Guard, but still had many bad plays against a scrub.

In the Vikings game, he came in (4th qtr) and play at G against a 2nd yr back-up and performed poorly. (This backup's only tackle in his career was against the Lions.)
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Default Re: Chris Myers is still our Center

The Texans like to play with 2 or 3 guys leading our back. If any of them get plugged, we're screwed. If you're 3 inches away, why not just QB sneak it?
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The Texans like to play with 2 or 3 guys leading our back. If any of them get plugged, we're screwed. If you're 3 inches away, why not just QB sneak it?
I have no idea. Maybe Kubiak remember the Steelers game from last year, when Schaub supposedly made the 4th down conversion, but the ref called it short!
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Bull! Myers is pathetic, especially run blocking.
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Watch the 3 TDs we scored in super slo-mo, and you will see that Myers did a good job overall.

On the TD run, Studdard and Dreessen were both blown up terribly, yet we can still score, with Leach ramming it up between Studdard and Myers, allowing the RB to go in on the inside of Leach.

On one of the TD catches, Myers blocked two guys in space, allowing AJ to walk into the endzone (with other guys doing their jobs well also).

On the other TD, Myers got help from Leach to give Schaub all the time in the world to throw the ball.

On the failed goal-line attempt, Studdard had inside position, but allowed his man to cut underneath him; that hindered Leach from moving his legs to drive after he was stopped cold. (Yes, the main thing here is that Leach was stopped cold behind the LOS.) Brisiel and Winston pushed a defender into the backfield, but the guy ended up behind the DT who was on Myers. This also made it hard for Myers and any other guy who came in and want to push Chris Brown into the endzone.
The television announcers on the last play twice said "the center was pushed back". I am ok with Myers until it's 10 yards or less and then Caldwell (our big, strong center that everyone thought was great) should be in there. He was a 3rd round pick and outweighs Chris by 22 ounds.
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The Texans like to play with 2 or 3 guys leading our back. If any of them get plugged, we're screwed. If you're 3 inches away, why not just QB sneak it?
"Yeah, the starting QB needs to carry the ball a whole lot more" signed Rex G.
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Default Re: Chris Myers is still our Center

I trust 76's word on this, I'm sure he's watched more game film than I have. I think Meyers is a pretty decent center, provided we're not asking him to do something we KNOW he can't do. It's like the OC calling up a QB draw play on 4th and 15. We all know Schaub isn't real mobile, just like we all know Meyers isn't the best at generating push or holding at the point of attack.

He's apparantly good at blocking in space and getting to the second level. Let's utilize our strengths instead of setting up the players for failure.
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Whether we like it or not and no matter how many guys put him on his butt or run right past him...
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Can I get some of that?

I understand we didn't draft Chris Myers.... & I understand that he came from Denver... around here, that's two strikes against. But if you watch them play, no one on our offensive line does his job as well as, or as consistently as Chris Myers.

Yes, he gets tossed around by the likes of Pat Williams... but in that same game, Pitts was tossed more frequently than Myers..... but every body likes Pitts.

Duane Brown may be our second best OLman. He's still young... & he plays very well..... still makes mistakes in the running game.

Brisiel gets overpowered often.... but when he's on, he's on.

Pitts IMHO has only been good for us, when we pull him & use him as a lead blocker, running ahead of our RB. When we're running a plain old regular Zone play.... for some reason the play looks all combobulated when you get to him. Everybody wants to move to the left.... but he's sitting there standing his guy up... Can't move to the left, if the guy on the end isn't moving.

Studdard just sucks. & Winston is right there with him, pass blocking, run blocking..... LBs over power him, fat guys beat him to the edge. He plays over his feet, and he's usually lying on the ground at the end of the play.

IMHO, the people here that want Myers gone, are just as guilty of wanting their "favorites" in the game as Kubiak is..... Pitts, Studdard & Winston shouldn't be starting....

I know what people are going to say.. "but he got blew up here" , "but he got pushed back there" , "but.... "

No he didn't.

I'm not saying he doesn't get blown up. I'm saying if he took 65 snaps, 60 of them were very good. Everyone else on the OL has a much lower ratio than that. & yeah, that might be the problem, that our best OL can only put together 60 out of 65 snaps.... I won't deny that either.

Get rid of Studdard. Get rid of Winston.... then we'll be able to run like we want..... like Kubiak wants.
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Good grief!

The interior of our line sucks. Myers is the center of suck.
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Good grief!

The interior of our line sucks. Myers is the center of suck.
Uh, could you and TK go off by yourselves and clarify if Myers is the most consistent Olinman we have or does he suck?
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On the failed goal-line attempt, Studdard had inside position, but allowed his man to cut underneath him; that hindered Leach from moving his legs to drive after he was stopped cold. (Yes, the main thing here is that Leach was stopped cold behind the LOS.) Brisiel and Winston pushed a defender into the backfield, but the guy ended up behind the DT who was on Myers. This also made it hard for Myers and any other guy who came in and want to push Chris Brown into the endzone.
In the epic failure of a 1 yard run in the endzone not a single texan got any push on the DL, all of them allowed the cardinals to get underneath their pads and shove them straight up.

Our LT went for a cut block and ended up flopping into the endzone, too bad he didn't have the ball?

Again ultimately Kubiak knows that we can't run the ball, and have been ineffective the entire season at it, hell he even admitted that "wasted" the entire second half to get film to figure out why they can't run the ball. I have to wonder why he doesn't try something different like spreading the formation and trying to run with wider splits, and the defense spread out isn't that the whole basis of the ZBS?

Oh well.. oh epic fail for not having AJ on the field for the last run play are you )(*()$@)# kidding me?
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Good grief!

The interior of our line sucks. Myers is the center of suck.
I know....the guy sucks ass.

I can't believe some people actually think he's the best offensive lineman on this team What the hell can they possibly be looking at?

It's also funny to hear lines like, "I think Meyers is a pretty decent center" and then they follow that up with, "as long as we don't ask him to do something we know he can't do....like generate push or hold up at the point of attack." LMAO... Umm...can someone fill me in here??...what's the primary job of any NFL center? I mean I would love to hear of a NFL system that doesn't require a center to get push or hold up at the point of attack.. LOL, that one really cracked me up.
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Uh, could you and TK go off by yourselves and clarify if Myers is the most consistent Olinman we have or does he suck?
I'll answer that question for you....

He consistently sucks.

There you go.
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White was rotating w/Studdard not Myers which makes me beleive the coaching staff recognize room for improvement @ LG (which is position Caldwell should play IMO). back to Meyers didn't he have a high ankle sprain in training camp keeping him sidelined until the end of pre-season maybe they rushed him back to soon? If he can't push off enough or hold his ground he will be engulfed against bigger stronger nose tackles (more pronounced against the Jets). So I think Myers could be playing less than 100% but does not complain because its not his nature. The playcalling sucks in goal line situations, you have to get your best players on the field & spread the D otherwise Myers becomes the lightening rod
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He consistently sucks.

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The television announcers on the last play twice said "the center was pushed back". I am ok with Myers until it's 10 yards or less and then Caldwell (our big, strong center that everyone thought was great) should be in there. He was a 3rd round pick and outweighs Chris by 22 ounds.
The announcer only saw things right then and there, and of course, it was there.

But there were other things he (they) did not notice.

Watch the replay from the back of the end zone.

Notice where Brisiel was.
Notice where Winston was.

Then you can get a better picture of the play.

Yes, Myers was pushed initially, but he fought back.
It was Brisiel who turned the DT toward playside and into the pile.
Winston ended up on the goal line.
How the heck are you to cross the goal line with a guy lying rigth there?

Of course, the left side is more difficult to see, but what bad with our LG and LT were there as I had described.
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I know....the guy sucks ass.

I can't believe some people actually think he's the best offensive lineman on this team What the hell can they possibly be looking at?

It's also funny to hear lines like, "I think Meyers is a pretty decent center" and then they follow that up with, "as long as we don't ask him to do something we know he can't do....like generate push or hold up at the point of attack." LMAO... Umm...can someone fill me in here??...what's the primary job of any NFL center? I mean I would love to hear of a NFL system that doesn't require a center to get push or hold up at the point of attack.. LOL, that one really cracked me up.
I was under the impression that our ZBS relied on offensive linemen getting to the second level and cut blocking to open up the run game.
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