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Old 02-17-2005   #41
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The chuck rule has all but negated the impact of premiere cover corners. The front 7's ability to collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB is the most important aspect on defense.

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Both are DL by the way. One from UGA.
I know they are both DLmen. I picked them because every year someone tries to justify their perceived top need by saying they will have a bigger impact. Passing up on better players to get a need position is the best formula possible to get a guy that doesn't impact the team as much, especially in the long run.
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Its negated the more physical corners who may not be as fast . So its putting a premium on speed and the value of it .
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The chuck rule has all but negated the impact of premiere cover corners. The front 7's ability to collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB is the most important aspect on defense.

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The death of the CB is a nice storyline to follow the emphasis on the chuck rule, and it is total and complete BS. The best pass rushing D in the NFL last year averaged 3 sacks per game. CB's have to cover 30-40 passing plays per game. Instead of the death of the CB, the chuck rule emphasis has just narrowed the field for what is a great NFL CB.
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Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".



Exactly. We can draft all the CBs we want but if our front 7 can not generate a consistent pass rush, we will get burned regardless because CBs can only cover WRs for so long. Prime Time agrees with me.
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Exactly. We can draft all the CBs we want but if our front 7 can not generate a consistent pass rush, we will get burned regardless because CBs can only cover WRs for so long. Prime Time agrees with me.
Well that is a given, but if you grade out a lineman and he is no better than what you have already what is the use of drafting him just to draft him? You have to take talent when you have the opportunity.
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No offense, but what this says is IMO exactly why you have to look at BPA instead of needs order. DL may be a higher need than CB this year, but what best serves the Texans this year and in the future (1) a great potential CB at #13 who immediatly takes over as the 3rd CB and moves Faggins to 4th (and is very likely to move Glenn to nickle or dime in 1-3 years) and a good value DL at #47 who immediately comes into the DL rotation as the 4th best DLmen or (2) a reach at #13 for a DLmen who also immediately comes into the DL rotation and a CB who may come into dime packages now and hopefully develops someday into a starter? Perceived need can't irrationally overtake the talent of the actual players available at each draft selection--well it can but it isn't a good way to build a team IMO.
FWIW, I agree with most of what you say. I should have qualified my remarks by making it clear that we shouldn't leave a clearly superior football player on the board to satisfy a > need at another position. If the other guy is just marginally superior, that's OK, but you're right - ultimately gotta go with the BPA if he's substantially better than the need guy.
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FWIW, I agree with most of what you say. I should have qualified my remarks by making it clear that we shouldn't leave a clearly superior football player on the board to satisfy a > need at another position. If the other guy is just marginally superior, that's OK, but you're right - ultimately gotta go with the BPA if he's substantially better than the need guy.
And FWIW, I agree with the above. I hate draft bar code mentality that acts like you can scan a player and it beeps and says "worth 51st pick." At best you can put people into groups of similarly talented players. Then you watch what happens above you and see who is left from your top available band--most of the time there won't be players from every position in each band. If one guy stands out you take him. If several are generally together then you take the player your team needs the most from that group. What I have a problem with is people wanting to jump whole goups of talent on need. Generally speaking--I guess I have a BPA with a needs based tie-breaker kind of draft philosophy.
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This draft is looking to be the year of the CB. I've seen two CBs Rogers and Rolle for a game . I thought Rogers can play and some have rated him the 3rd or 4th best CB. This is where you'll get the best player at 13 . I'm not sure somebody will emerge to bump Spears as the best DL. So he'll be gone .
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Well that is a given, but if you grade out a lineman and he is no better than what you have already what is the use of drafting him just to draft him? You have to take talent when you have the opportunity.


Well then may I ask why you drafted 2 defensive linemen in the mock draft?
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Don't as I do do as I say . Vinny did trade out of the 13 spot . Having said that if one or two picks hit no one will remember . It does go against the BPA theory .

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Well then may I ask why you drafted 2 defensive linemen in the mock draft?
Helloo, class, Bueller? Did he take a DL with the #13 pick--did he take one with a 1st round pick--no he waited until the value was right. That's the point--do the Texans need to draft someone on the DL, absolutely yes. Does that mean d@mn the torpedoes doesn't matter who is available at any position take the top DLmen at #13--no. At some point with 4 picks on the 1st day a DLmen that fits the 3-4 will be a good value pick--that is when one should and hopefully will be taken. In the mean time take the BPA that is in a position that isn't absolutely redundant (QB in the 1st at this point) or that the draft position will demand far to much money to justify (P, K, FB and one could argue S or TE (both of these can be exceptions--depends on the player) at #13).
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But if they are no better than what we have already what is the use of drafting them just to draft them?
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But if they are no better than what we have already what is the use of drafting them just to draft them?
You do understand that while there are 22 starters there are 53 players and every year teams (a) have injuries and (b) need to develop players for the future, right? Good teams may not start, i.e. they are not immediately better, any rookies from the draft--see the 3 out of 4 Patriots drafting Wilfork--but the depth they have allows continuity despite injuries and continuity when players either age or become too expensive.
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So what is the problem with drafting Spears at #13. Why do you think it isn't a good value pick? That is what I want to know.
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So what is the problem with drafting Spears at #13. Why do you think it isn't a good value pick? That is what I want to know.
Nothing is wrong with it if the Texans have him graded as worth the pick. If however Pac Man, Justin Miller, DJ or Braylon Edwards is available along with Spears the Texans should decide who is the best player IMO not just who is the biggest need. If Spears is who they think is the best player or is tied with the others and the biggest need then hopefully he is their pick. But, if someone else is the better player but lessor need it is my opinion they should take the better player--in the long run it will pay off.
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Brandon Everage?
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Pac-Man Jones
Antrel Rolle
Derrick Johnson
Shaune Merriman

I consider these 4 better prospects than Spears, and my opinion was based on the assumption that they would all be off the board by the time our pick came thus making Spears the best player available for us. I am stating this as my opinion, not as a fact. Maybe you misinterpreted it that way.
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Sorry, cranial flatulence--that was supposed to be Braylon Edwards. Odds are he doesn't make it to #13 but he is an example of a player who IMO if the choice came down to him or Spears you take the lessor need position and pick Edwards. AJ and Edwards would be a sick team.
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I hope we take the BPA's in the many areas that could use upgrades:
NT, ILB, DE, SS, CB, OLT, OG, C, TE, HB, WR
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