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Old 10-07-2009   #1
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On now. With McClain

Seriously though - one of them is going to be you must run to set up the pass.

Obviously you have to run to some extent to keep the defense honest, but do you think Kubiak puts too much stress on running the ball?

Especially after a HUGE day of passing (and a W) when he is regretting we didn't run more?
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I don't know what they are, but Im guessing:

1. A good run game is required for successful play action
2. A good defensive line/pass rush can hide a poor secondary
3. It takes more than 1 year to "rebuild" a franchise
4. A coach needs at least 3-5 years to be judged
5. NFL rookies can't be judged until theyve been in the NFL for at least 3 years
6. You can't win the superbowl unless you can run the ball and stop the run


The NFL truths for me are:
1. A great defense always beats a great offense
2. There is no position more important than a true franchise quarterback
3. Winning the turnover battle leads to winning the game
4. Any given Sunday (except for a few teams)
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On now. With McClain

Seriously though - one of them is going to be you must run to set up the pass.

Obviously you have to run to some extent to keep the defense honest, but do you think Kubiak puts too much stress on running the ball?

Especially after a HUGE day of passing (and a W) when he is regretting we didn't run more?
I hear Kubiak speak it but when I watch the games he passes to set up the run quite a bit. Kubiak wants to get a lead and THEN pound the ball in a serious way methinks. I think that other stuff is just coachspeak.

Another of their top ten myths is that dome teams are soft.
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Kubes is just like Shanahan: Will ideally pass a lot in the first half and get a sizeable lead then run it down the opponent's throat in the second half to milk the clock and conserve the lead.
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Kubes is just like Shanahan: Will ideally pass a lot in the first half and get a sizeable lead then run it down the opponent's throat in the second half to milk the clock and conserve the lead.
If it works then I'm all for it!
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If it works then I'm all for it!
It worked last week. Some people call it a prevent offense though if your running game isn't able to work well against 8 man fronts.
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So what is NFLN's top 10 myths?
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10. Tackle stats are not accurate
9. QB's need a rocket arm to be successful
8. Teams should punt on 4th down
7. Turnovers matter
6. You need to run to set up the pass
5. Icing the kicker works
4. Dome teams are soft
3. Defense wins championships
2. It is next to impossible to repeat as champions
1. The prevent defense does not work
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Turnovers don't matter? what the heck?
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If it works then I'm all for it!
Not me...there is no such thing as TOO BIG OF A LEAD for ANY Houston team. No lead is too big for me to feel comfortable against any competitor and we should be raming it down the other team's throat until no more time is left on the clock.

I hate it when we play time management...just score...and score alot.
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Not me...there is no such thing as TOO BIG OF A LEAD for ANY Houston team. No lead is too big for me to feel comfortable against any competitor and we should be raming it down the other team's throat until no more time is left on the clock.

I hate it when we play time management...just score...and score alot.
Rich Eisen said no - the prevent offense is MUCH worse than the prevent defense.






I'll re-watch it tonight, I only saw 5 minutes worth this morning.
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#1 myth........Prevent defense doesn't work.


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#1 myth........prevent defense doesn't work.


Wtf ever.
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I was going to offer that up as proof it doesn't work. Thanks for the reminder DB.
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10. Tackle stats are not accurate -Myth
9. QB's need a rocket arm to be successful -Myth
8. Teams should punt on 4th down -Depends on distance left and place on field
7. Turnovers matter -WRONG--They do matter alot
6. You need to run to set up the pass -Myth but it helps
5. Icing the kicker works -Myth
4. Dome teams are soft -Myth but outdoors helps home team if you are a cold weather team in December
3. Defense wins championships -WRONG--it goes a long way and can make up for a medicore offense
2. It is next to impossible to repeat as champions -WRONG-look at repeats
1. The prevent defense does not work-WRONG-a team may end up winning but letting a team take chunks of the field and score just because you are up 17 isn't exactly a good thing and it can backfire

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I was going to offer that up as proof it doesn't work. Thanks for the reminder DB.
lol! The "prevent defense" is one of those code phrases that sends chills up my spine everytime I hear it. Obviously a result of posttraumatic stress disorder.
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the prevent defense is excellent at preventing the team who uses it from winning.
Does it work great when the other team is in an obvious hail mary situation? Sure. Would I ever use it up by 10 with a few minutes left to play? hell no
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All those make sense except trying to call turnovers matter a myth. The stats are simply too strong. A plus one correlates to a win more than 70% of the time and a plus two to a win more than 90% of the time.

As for the prevent defense, Houston unfortunately has some particularly bad experiences with it, but for all the highly publicized examples of it failing there are probably ten examples where it works hence people discounting many stats racked up in garbage time at the end of a game. I personally hate seeing it because it makes the end of the game less fun to watch but on the whole probably deserves a myth label.

Glad to see the rocket arm thing make the myth list. Seems like if we had a poll around here for best QB of all time the plurality would pick Montana who was a classic example of not having a rocket arm as is his more recent competitor Peyton who also does not have a big arm (heck half the time he doesn't even throw a pretty spiral but it is to the right spot).
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My personal hatred for the prevent comes from the idea that you are usually using it because you have a nice lead and you built that lead by playing football for 55 of the 60 minutes. Also, your defense probably helped you alot to get that lead. If they couldn't move the ball against you for 55 minutes and it helped you get the 14 pt or whatever lead, why not keep using it or rushing with your basic nickle?Seriously, as I said above, you may end up winning but is it worth taking the chance by giving up gimmee 10-20 yard chunks and maybe a score to make it tight?
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My personal hatred for the prevent comes from the idea that you are usually using it because you have a nice lead and you built that lead by playing football for 55 of the 60 minutes. Also, your defense probably helped you alot to get that lead. If they couldn't move the ball against you for 55 minutes and it helped you get the 14 pt or whatever lead, why not keep using it or rushing with your basic nickle?Seriously, as I said above, you may end up winning but is it worth taking the chance by giving up gimmee 10-20 yard chunks and maybe a score to make it tight?
The flip side is exactly what Vinny pointed out would be the risk of our new attacking and blitzing D - it is subject to the big play. Look at Manning having the ball for less than 15 minutes the entire game a week ago. Scored once in 7 seconds and once in 30 seconds. I hate watching a prevent D but there is a logic to it - doesn't make for fun football to watch and won't always work.
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