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Old 09-28-2009   #1
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Funny how last season they were just as bad as the Texans were on defense if not worse and with a few free agent pick ups and new coordinator, they end up turning this defense around a lot. I never understood why the Texans couldn't have gone after Dawkins. We could have used him for about one or two seasons while we drafted and developed a young stud at safety.

It's pretty frustrating watching a team like the Broncos turn their defense around as much as they have in one off season and then see ours get even worse than what they were last season after we used all of those draft picks on D and signed Antonio Weever to all of that money.

Everyone knows that Frank Bush is gone next year, but at this point I think Rick Smith needs to go for sure. Get us a real GM that knows what he is doing.
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They've played Cincinatti, Cleveland, and Oakland. Not exactly tough offenses to play against with the exception of Cincy, who they beat on sheer chance with the Stokeley tipped pass touchdown.

Also, shouldn't this be in the NFL section since it doesn't really concern the Texans that Denver has, for now, a good defense, and we don't..?

Edit: Would like to point out that all 3 of those teams are ranked in the bottom 8 in total offense so far this season, and I don't really expect Oakland or Cleveland to get a whole lot better.

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But what really makes this surprising is they've done it in the midst of a
conversion year from the 4-3 to the 3-4 defense.
Remember when Capers was here trying to staff a 3-4 defense ? He never really found the right people to rush the passer, yet the Boncos have apparently pulled a successful conversion in a few months ?
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Funny how last season they were just as bad as the Texans were on defense if not worse and with a few free agent pick ups and new coordinator, they end up turning this defense around a lot. I never understood why the Texans couldn't have gone after Dawkins. We could have used him for about one or two seasons while we drafted and developed a young stud at safety.

It's pretty frustrating watching a team like the Broncos turn their defense around as much as they have in one off season and then see ours get even worse than what they were last season after we used all of those draft picks on D and signed Antonio Weever to all of that money.

Everyone knows that Frank Bush is gone next year, but at this point I think Rick Smith needs to go for sure. Get us a real GM that knows what he is doing.
You meen Smith right? Oh well same production I can see how you could mistake the two.
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A coach's or coordinator's fate is not decided on a few games. It takes at least an entire season to determine that. You don't know if the new scheme will finally click, and the last few defensive performances of the season look really good.

I've been happy with Rick Smith's draft choices so far, and the choice to hire Bush was Kubiak's. Though Smith's accountable for that, it still wasn't based on his initiative. Bush's resume' is highly qualified, so it's not like it was poor judgment.
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You meen Smith right? Oh well same production I can see how you could mistake the two.
I meant to write it that way. I've thought that it was a similar signing since we picked him up.
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I meant to write it that way. I've thought that it was a similar signing since we picked him up.
Not that I disagree, but at least Smith has been close enough to smell a fart from the QB. Weaver was either playing patty cake or back peddling in coverage.

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A coach's or coordinator's fate is not decided on a few games. It takes at least an entire season to determine that. You don't know if the new scheme will finally click, and the last few defensive performances of the season look really good.

I've been happy with Rick Smith's draft choices so far, and the choice to hire Bush was Kubiak's. Though Smith's accountable for that, it still wasn't based on his initiative. Bush's resume' is highly qualified, so it's not like it was poor judgment.
He's made a few good draft picks and a few bad ones just like pretty much every GM in the league. Sorry, but Smith has not done anything spectacular in the draft. He's had successes and he's had failures. He's been basically average. This will be the 4th season with him as the GM now where this team doesn't reach the post season, so he really hasn't built anything to be happy about.

And as far as in free agency the guy's been a total failure. He hasn't brought in any good players in any of his off seasons to find some guys to fill in some holes and become upgrades where we're lacking. He's been a build through the draft guy this entire time and his plan hasn't worked. You've got to look for upgrades in the off season.
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They've played Cincinatti, Cleveland, and Oakland. Not exactly tough offenses to play against with the exception of Cincy, who they beat on sheer chance with the Stokeley tipped pass touchdown.

Also, shouldn't this be in the NFL section since it doesn't really concern the Texans that Denver has, for now, a good defense, and we don't..?

Edit: Would like to point out that all 3 of those teams are ranked in the bottom 8 in total offense so far this season, and I don't really expect Oakland or Cleveland to get a whole lot better.
Cincy put up 23 on Pittsburgh and beat Green Bay in Green Bay. They would be 3-0 if not for that Denver catch. Fact remains though is Denver only gave up 7 points to Cincy.

I'll give you Cleveland. They got problems.

Oakland barely lost to San Diego and could very well be 2-1 at this point. They just got beat by a good Denver team.
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Not that I disagree, but at least Smith has been close enough to smell a fart from the QB. Weaver was either playing patty cake or back peddling in coverage.

*Disclaimer: This is not defending anything defensive related concerning the Texans in no way, shape or form.
Oh, he'll probably be better than Weaver I'm sure Hou-Tex, but how hard will that be? He's not the worst player in the world or anything, but he wasn't worth what we just gave that guy especially after what we just went through with Weaver. And the worst part about it is, is that he's probably the best free agent pick up that we got in this entire off season and last year's off season.
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He's made a few good draft picks and a few bad ones just like pretty much every GM in the league. Sorry, but Smith has not done anything spectacular in the draft. He's had successes and he's had failures. He's been basically average. This will be the 4th season with him as the GM now where this team doesn't reach the post season, so he really hasn't built anything to be happy about.

And as far as in free agency the guy's been a total failure. He hasn't brought in any good players in any of his off seasons to find some guys to fill in some holes and become upgrades where we're lacking. He's been a build through the draft guy this entire time and his plan hasn't worked. You've got to look for upgrades in the off season.
and I am starting to worry if he is even going to re-sign any of the good players that he did draft.
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They've played Cincinatti, Cleveland, and Oakland. Not exactly tough offenses to play against with the exception of Cincy, who they beat on sheer chance with the Stokeley tipped pass touchdown.

Also, shouldn't this be in the NFL section since it doesn't really concern the Texans that Denver has, for now, a good defense, and we don't..?

Edit: Would like to point out that all 3 of those teams are ranked in the bottom 8 in total offense so far this season, and I don't really expect Oakland or Cleveland to get a whole lot better.
So what. Look at the freaking Texans!!!!!!!! They are giving up over 30 points to two of the worst offensive teams in the entire league in back to back games and with one of them being at home. At least Denver can shut down the weak offensive teams, we're getting abused by horrible offensive teams and making their RB's look like it's a video game on Madden or something like that.

The point is that defenses or offenses in some cases can turn around rather quickly. We haven't had any quick turn arounds since Kubiak or Smith got here and everyone's been wanting to wait so patiently like it's just going to happen. I'm sick to death of watching so many other teams turn certain things around while we just stay afloat or get worse in this case regarding our defense.

At the end of the day Rick Smith has not been a good GM.
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Oh, he'll probably be better than Weaver I'm sure Hou-Tex, but how hard will that be? He's not the worst player in the world or anything, but he wasn't worth what we just gave that guy especially after what we just went through with Weaver. And the worst part about it is, is that he's probably the best free agent pick up that we got in this entire off season and last year's off season.
Until this organization can field a winning team on a consistent basis, it's going to have to pay more to get decent FA's.
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and I am starting to worry if he is even going to re-sign any of the good players that he did draft.
YES! That's another good point as well. What the hell are we doing?? We're not even trying to resign the talent and productive players that we do have. I have no idea what this management team is thinking or what kind of leverage they think they have with guys like Demeco and Daniels. I don't see how any of these guys would want to stay on this team with the constant melt downs this team has, and the fact that they're both under paid and our GM won't even take care of them when they're a hand few of our only productive players that we have.
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Perhaps Dawkins didn't want to come here. It kinda goes both ways like that.
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Until this organization can field a winning team on a consistent basis, it's going to have to pay more to get decent FA's.
I really don't think that is the case in the NFL. A lot of times free agents will go where they can start or feel that they'll have a great shot at starting on their new team if the money is still pretty good. I really don't see a ton of guys getting tons of more money than what they're worth on crappier teams unless it involves the Raiders or the Cowboys in some cases where Jerry Jones gets nutty. We've had a shot at a few players every season that might not have been game changers but were easily some improvements. We should have gone after Dawkins in this off season to bring some real toughness and leadership to this defense that's been lacking for years. We could have had the guy for like two years or something where some of our younger players could have learned a lot from the guy. He's helping out Denver a lot right now.
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Perhaps Dawkins didn't want to come here. It kinda goes both ways like that.
More and more excuses for a failure at GM. Where did you get that idea that he didn't want to come here when we didn't even persue him? That's the point. We've had an awful secondary since this organization has been established and nothing Casserly or Smith has done or tried has come close to working and both of those GM's have flat out ignored the fact that their is a position called Safety where you need some talent at. Had we gone after and tried to bring some talented safeties here at some point, then I wouldn't be so quick to criticize, but we haven't done jack to bring in a decent safety here in 8 fricken years!
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More and more excuses for a failure at GM. Where did you get that idea that he didn't want to come here when we didn't even persue him? That's the point. We've had an awful secondary since this organization has been established and nothing Casserly or Smith has done or tried has come close to working and both of those GM's have flat out ignored the fact that their is a position called Safety where you need some talent at. Had we gone after and tried to bring some talented safeties here at some point, then I wouldn't be so quick to criticize, but we haven't done jack to bring in a decent safety here in 8 fricken years!
Dawkins isn't the answer and wouldn't have been the answer. The Texans need more than a temporary band-aid at Safety. Eugene Wilson is serviceable at FS. But the SS position stinks to high hell. Maybe Pollard can come in and play better. Who knows? The problem isn't always the scheme even though I feel like they are poorly coached. This secondary is making too many bone-headed mistakes even though they are in position to make the play.
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Dawkins isn't the answer and wouldn't have been the answer. The Texans need more than a temporary band-aid at Safety. Eugene Wilson is serviceable at FS. But the SS position stinks to high hell. Maybe Pollard can come in and play better. Who knows? The problem isn't always the scheme even though I feel like they are poorly coached. This secondary is making too many bone-headed mistakes even though they are in position to make the play.
Dawkins could have helped to give this defense some leadership and maybe some heart. The safety position has absolutely killed us this season. He would have been worth picking up. Yeah, he may have been a band aid, but sometimes a bad aid is worth it, when you get a guy who can help out your locker room and confidence for a year or so while we could draft a safety with our first pick next year and let Dawkins teach him a lot.

Bottom line is that we need proven players on this defense that know what the hell they're doing and want to go out there and shut teams down. We have like 3 players like that on our defense right now, and that's about it. I'd take Dawkins over any one of our current safeties easily.
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Kinda off topic - But I wonder how many points a pop warner team could put up on the Texans defense .....

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