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Old 09-27-2009   #21
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As a former Schaub doubtist, I can't find any way he is to blame for today. The pick he threw was not a game-changing pick. He did enough.

The Jags just ended up getting pissed off and ready to play football for the whole game, like we did last Sunday vs. the Titans. The Titans ran into a wasp nest by facing us last Sunday, and we ran into a wasp nest facing the Jags this Sunday.

If we don't allow easy pass completions by the infamous 10-yard DB cushion that this team seems to provide at no extra cost to the opponent's offense, and if we seal off cut-back lanes that MJD ended up exploiting, we win that game.

Matt Schaub did his part, IMO. Even Jacoby Jones ended up providing a TD (again).

The defense made Garrard and his crew look like Pro Bowlers.
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So what are you saying? That our offense should just put a hold on getting better, & wait for our defense to catch up?

I bet Peyton will lose sleep over that through, because he expects better of himself.
Umm........NO (where the hell did you get that?)

What I'm saying is our offense (from Schaub's play) CAN'T GET MUCH BETTER.

The guy threw for 300 yards, threw 3 TDs (all to different receivers), and lead us on what shoud've been a game tying drive (even threw a 4th TD, to a 4th different receiver that got called back).......what else do you want?

What I said is, to expect "perfection" is stupid.......NOBODY CAN LIVE UP TO THAT EXPECTATION and While Peyton will get pissed about that pick (much like how I'm sure Schaub was mad about his today), that doesn't mean he's not going to float a pass here or there or miss a receiver in the future.

Seriously your expectations are unrealistic.

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7 TD (should be 8) and 1 INT through 3 games........there's ALOT of teams that would take that in this league, infact a large majority of them would take that production.

Schaub isn't the problem in Houston, the defense/coaching is.
He actually has 2 INTs. One against the Jets too where he underthrew it a bit.


Can Schaub be better? Yes. Everyone can be better. Is his play good enough to win games if the rest of the team plays well? I think so. I'd rather not need my QB to be perfect in order to win games.
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I havent seen to many Matty disses today i think all the smart fans know Matty is not our problem this season so far
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If anyone blames Schaub for the loss, they are a moron. he was one of the only reasons we were even in th game.

one of these days, we may just have to come to terms that Kubiak doens't know any good defensive coordinators and is perhaps too insecure to hire someone from outside the Denver Circle.

one thing we know is that this defense is poorly coached. we have too much talent to be this pathetic against big plays.
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He actually has 2 INTs. One against the Jets too where he underthrew it a bit.


Can Schaub be better? Yes. Everyone can be better. Is his play good enough to win games if the rest of the team plays well? I think so. I'd rather not need my QB to be perfect in order to win games.
You're right.....I forgot about that one (thanks ), but that defense has made every QB look stupid. Opposing QBs have combined for just 1 passing TD and 4 INTs against that defense.
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Umm........NO (where the hell did you get that?)

What I'm saying is our offense (from Schaub's play) CAN'T GET MUCH BETTER.
The same place you're getting me saying that Schaub caused us to lose the game.
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The guy threw for 300 yards, threw 3 TDs (all to different receivers), and lead us on what shoud've been a game tying drive (even threw a 4th TD, to a 4th different receiver that got called back).......what else do you want?
Hey, if that 4th TD wasn't called back because of an offensive penalty, our offense would have been better. If we then went for two we could have won the game. That would have been better.

If we didn't fumble the ball on the goal line, & then gone for two, we would have won the game.

I'm not saying the defense couldn't have played a lot better. But out of the 6 possessions we started on our side of the field, we crossed midfield 3 times.

Offensively, we could have played better, and Matt Schaub is a big part of our offense.

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What I said is, to expect "perfection" is stupid.......NOBODY CAN LIVE UP TO THAT EXPECTATION
& nobody said that I expect Schaub to be perfect. I said when there is no pressure, I expect a perfect ball. No one should expect anything less, especially since that is all he's got.

I expect him to handle pressure at least as well as that rookie from USC. I expect him to burn teams when they blitz.

I expect him to throw the ball downfield, & not settle for the shorter routes.

I expect him to slide feet first.


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and While Peyton will get pissed about that pick (much like how I'm sure Schaub was mad about his today), that doesn't mean he's not going to float a pass here or there or miss a receiver in the future.

Seriously your expectations are unrealistic.
Again, I never said I expect him to be perfect.
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I don't think Schaub did a bad job of managing this game. My criticism of today's game from the offense was that we didn't try and stretch the defense enough. Schaub had time to throw, but either the calls weren't made to throw down the field or Schaub wasn't looking. I feel like our only chance to win is to threaten the D with bombs.
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I don't think Schaub did a bad job of managing this game. My criticism of today's game from the offense was that we didn't try and stretch the defense enough. Schaub had time to throw, but either the calls weren't made to throw down the field or Schaub wasn't looking. I feel like our only chance to win is to threaten the D with bombs.
He had 6 passes that were longer than 20 yards.....

A 8.6 ypa average on 35 throws.......that's pretty damn good.
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He had 6 passes that were longer than 20 yards.....

A 8.6 ypa average on 35 throws.......that's pretty damn good.
Wasn't good enough today.
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I'm not saying he didn't have a good game. But he could have been better. & for where we want to go, he needs to be better. There were several throws all through the game, where he had no pressure, yet he almost threw it in the dirt. Causing our receivers to have to bend over, come back or in some way adjust to a poorly thrown ball.

That's what they get paid to do... yada, yada, yada. That's not my point. If there's no reason for him not to throw a perfect ball, I expect it to be a perfect ball.

There were several times I wished he had thrown the ball to the deeper receiver, and he decided to hit the guy on the shallow/intermediate route. I understand that I can't watch the pocket, & the receivers at the same time, so it's kinda hard for me to judge if he made the right decision or not..

& my biggest criticism of Matt Schaub, is that I expect him to make plays more times than not when protection breaks down.

It's my opinion, that what happened at the end of the game, would have been different if he would have played better earlier in the game.

I'm not saying he Romo'd us. Only that he has room for improvement.
Blah Blah Blah. This defense quits giving up 30+ points a game, it wins.

That one line solves this team's problems. Not the 10 paragraphs in the
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Blah Blah Blah. This defense quits giving up 30+ points a game, it wins.

That one line solves this team's problems. Not the 10 paragraphs in the
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We gave up 30+ last week, and still won, so that can't be it.
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And anyone who says Schaub is spotless, is flat out wrong.

Plenty of blame to go around here.
I don't recall saying that Schaub was spotless. Nobody played a perfect game today.

But Schaub is probably about #15 or so on the list of reasons why we lost today. Let's try to fix the bigger problems before we call his play into question.

He did enough to put us in position for the win today. No he didn't win the game for us, but he isn't the one that choked with the game in his hands either.
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The same place you're getting me saying that Schaub caused us to lose the game.
Hmm......that's funny, becuase I never said that in this thread...

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I'm not saying the defense couldn't have played a lot better. But out of the 7 possessions we started on our side of the field, we crossed midfield 3 times.
A good consistent running game might help in that area.

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Offensively, we could have played better, and Matt Schaub is a big part of our offense.
Yeah, and that's been the only consistent part of our offense that has moved the ball consistently......again check running game.


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& nobody said that I expect Schaub to be perfect. I said when there is no pressure, I expect a perfect ball. No one should expect anything less, especially since that is all he's got.
Yeah and that's what I typed......which is why I posted this...

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LOL, No quarterback in this league throws a "perfect ball" every single pass (even if they have good protection). If the watermark here is that Schaub has to be "perfect" week in and week out, I hate to disappoint you, but that's NEVER going to happen......no QB can live up to that expectation.
Or this as a example...

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What do you know......the alltime great Peyton Manning had perfect protection, plenty of time to throw, and even he just floated a pass for a INT..

Nobody is perfect...

Did anybody watch Drew Brees today?......didn't play near as good as Schaub, but his defense sure as hell showed up. Gee I bet that would've helped today.

It is unrealistic to expect a perfect throw every single throw...even with a clean pocket. That would be like asking a starting pitcher to NEVER miss his spot. It simply isn't going to happen.
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Wasn't good enough today.
LMAO

Of coarse it's not......not when you have a defense getting scored on left and right and a defense that only forces 3 damn punts the entire game.



This isn't madden where when you hit receiver "O", the pass goes to the same spot on the same route every single time, no matter what. NOBODY IS THAT PERFECT.

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We gave up 30+ last week, and still won, so that can't be it.
Do me a favor and go pull up teams that have defenses who give up 30 points a game and then post their record. I'd REALLY love to see it.
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QB is at the bottom of our list of things we need to upgrade. DT and both safety's are #1
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I don't recall saying that Schaub was spotless. Nobody played a perfect game today.

But Schaub is probably about #15 or so on the list of reasons why we lost today. Let's try to fix the bigger problems before we call his play into question.

He did enough to put us in position for the win today. No he didn't win the game for us, but he isn't the one that choked with the game in his hands either.
I've thought for a long time, that Houston fans, even the luv ya blue fans, are happy with good enough. Rockets, Astros..... nobody expects perfection, but we're pissed off about mediocre....

Doesn't make sense to me.

& I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I was just saying.

But it's not like they play/practice/work as a team all week long. QBs work with the QB coach, LBs work with the LB coach.... etc. They should all be working on getting better IMO. No one should be sitting out this week, thinking they did good enough to win last week.


& I do not blame Chris Brown either.
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It is unrealistic to expect a perfect throw every single throw...even with a clean pocket. That would be like asking a starting pitcher to NEVER miss his spot. It simply isn't going to happen.
So you don't think Peyton expects to make a perfect throw every time, even with pressure in his face?

All I'm saying, is that Schaub could have played better.

Even after giving up 30+ points, we still could have won the game.

Are you denying either/both of those?
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I'm not saying he didn't have a good game. But he could have been better. & for where we want to go, he needs to be better. There were several throws all through the game, where he had no pressure, yet he almost threw it in the dirt. Causing our receivers to have to bend over, come back or in some way adjust to a poorly thrown ball.

That's what they get paid to do... yada, yada, yada. That's not my point. If there's no reason for him not to throw a perfect ball, I expect it to be a perfect ball.

There were several times I wished he had thrown the ball to the deeper receiver, and he decided to hit the guy on the shallow/intermediate route. I understand that I can't watch the pocket, & the receivers at the same time, so it's kinda hard for me to judge if he made the right decision or not..

& my biggest criticism of Matt Schaub, is that I expect him to make plays more times than not when protection breaks down.

It's my opinion, that what happened at the end of the game, would have been different if he would have played better earlier in the game.

I'm not saying he Romo'd us. Only that he has room for improvement.
I go back and forth with you dude. At times, you'll post things that makes me think you actually have a nice breadth of football knowledge and at others, it's like "what the hell?"

Lord, what is the world coming to when a guy who throws for 657 yds, 7 TDs and 1 pick over 2 games & it's still not enough?
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