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Old 09-21-2009   #1
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Default To Fans, He's Gary Kubiak. To the players, he's Coach

I swear, everytime the "Fire Kubiak" sentiment reaches a fever pitch,
his players fight for him. They had no business going 5-1 last year
after their 3-7 start. I remember after they lost that second Colts
game, the media was asking the players about Kubes ineffectiveness
as a coach.

All players, to a man, refused to allow anyone to place blame on Gary.
It seemed that no matter what, they were going to battle and scratch
and claw their way to victory.

Yesterday, after the Week 1 debacle, his team took some hits, and
responded. Where was that soft-ass team we witnessed against the Jets?

It hit me yesterday. When they took Victory Formation, players were
lining up to shake Kubiak's hand and give him a hug. I don't know
how to take this team. I psyched everyone I knew to watch the
first game against the Jets.

This week, they play their best game EVER, and I didn't have the stones
to tell ANYONE to have their TV's ready. This team is growing, and
they still fight hard for their coach. Kubes is not going to make the
same mistake they made last year after they beat the Titans. He's
not gonna allow this team to read their own press clippings, and let
their guards down in this marathon known as the NFL.

The Texans need EVERY win they can get, and it's now clear that they
still want to do it for their coach. Houston might have it's own Bill Cowher.
Cowher was on the "hot seat" in the media for YEARS. The Steeler
organization never wavered, because the stability of the organization
should remain greater than any 1 or 2 players.

I'm digging what I"m seeing, even though it makes me want to kill somebody
every now and then. Gary's gone, when his players start tuning him out.
Dom Capers never had a squad fight after starting a game down 21-7.
Kube's team has done it twice in my memory. First time was in Carolina,
on the road, against that healthy squad. Second time was yesterday.

"Keep battlin." Seems that the team has takin this as its motto. We started
3-7. Let's finish, and not take a step backwards. The 5-1 stretch showed
the team what it's capable of. Now, they have to go out and DO it. That's
the "next step" we keep hearing about. As much as this team frustrates me,
I can't stop watching. They don't have any quit in them. So long as that's
the case, I won't change the channel, no matter the score.

The players love their coach, and if they feel he's in danger of getting
bounced, they win. Keep the pressure cooking tuned high fans. This
is gonna be a hell of a year if we keep the EXPECTATIONS high.
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Default Re: To Fans, He's Gary Kubiak. To the players, he's Coach

Generally speaking the players know more and care more about the game than fans and media. If they're happy with the coach, then I have a tough time arguing about it.

There are always exceptions and if I see more uncovered running backs without time outs being called I'm going to make an exception
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kubiak is a player's coach without a doubt. dunta may be at odds with rick smith but his interview after the game made it clear he's going to follow kubiak into battle.
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Good stories in the chronic today, liked this one from Solomon:

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...Apparently, the speech Gary Kubiak gave to his team Saturday night was a special one.

It's not that it was particularly eloquent, and it's unlikely the team will put it on a locker-room plaque. (Kubiak is no Tim Tebow.) But the words were almost unforgettable.

Kubiak told his team “to man-up” and “to come together” and “to play like a team” and “to fight for each other” and “to be accountable to each other” and a bunch of other things that went into one ear and came out of the other like fire.

Seems every player in the locker room has a different recollection, or at least his own interpretation, of the most meaningful thing the coach said. Whatever he said, it worked.

“Coach asked us at the team meeting (Saturday) night, ‘When are we going to come together as a team?'” guard Chester Pitts said. “I think we did.”...
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“We feel good about winning today, but we have a long, long way to go.”
I'm not 100% gulping it, but taking a few more sips of the kool-aid ain't so bad.
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This week, they play their best game EVER, and I didn't have the stones
to tell ANYONE to have their TV's ready.
I swear this "best game ever" nonsense is crazy. This was nowhere near their best game ever. The defense had more mental lapses than almost any Texans game I had ever seen. It was nowhere close to being their best game ever. It might have been their best "passing game" ever on offense. I might go with that one. I've never seen any game where a Texans QB torched a team through the air like Schaub did yesterday, but best game ever?? Not even close.


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The Texans need EVERY win they can get, and it's now clear that they
still want to do it for their coach. Houston might have it's own Bill Cowher.
Just last week probably 90% of this board wanted the guy canned, and now he's might be the next Bill Cowher? Come on dude, lets see a few winning seasons before any sort of Bill Cowher comparisons are made. You compare him to Cowher after one win where the first week we looked dreadful and most people wanted the guy out of town? If he doesn't go at least `10-6 the guy needs to be out of here especially with the way this defense looks this season even with the added personal. Kubes promoted his guy to the defense when we should have gotten someone else that was a proven commodity that mistake is hurting us big time right now. The Texans barely won yesterday and could have just as easily been 0-2 because of what a horrible defense we have. Watching the offense was great and all, and definitely something to look forward to moving on if the pass blocking can stay decent, but the defense is atrocious. It's right there with the Lions or the Rams.



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I'm digging what I"m seeing, even though it makes me want to kill somebody
every now and then. Gary's gone, when his players start tuning him out.
Dom Capers never had a squad fight after starting a game down 21-7.
Kube's team has done it twice in my memory. First time was in Carolina,
on the road, against that healthy squad. Second time was yesterday.

"Keep battlin." Seems that the team has takin this as its motto. We started
3-7. Let's finish, and not take a step backwards. The 5-1 stretch showed
the team what it's capable of. Now, they have to go out and DO it. That's
the "next step" we keep hearing about. As much as this team frustrates me,
I can't stop watching. They don't have any quit in them. So long as that's
the case, I won't change the channel, no matter the score.

The players love their coach, and if they feel he's in danger of getting
bounced, they win. Keep the pressure cooking tuned high fans. This
is gonna be a hell of a year if we keep the EXPECTATIONS high.
My expectations will get high when I see consistency against good teams and teams with good defenses especially 3-4 defenses that have great rushers where we actually seem prepared for and when I see a defense that isn't atrocious. I don't have any idea of where the Texans are right now really. They can pass as well as any team as long as the protection is there, but their running game is absent from games, and the defense is atrocious. There are a ton of things to worry about right now. Great to win that game and all, but the Texans are looking really bad in several areas right now that draws a lot of reasons for concern.
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Until we open up a 2 TD lead, and shut opposing offenses down the whole game, and basically make the game over before it got started (Like the Jets did to us) then the Titans game cannot be considered best ever.

It was actually pretty entertaining, I'll admit that, but I fear what this place looks like if all those calls don't go our way. If the 4th down Dreesen catch doesn't happen. If Jacoby doesn't get two "friendly" calls go his way. If we see the Titans laughing at us, and their fans jeering us on the way out of the stadium.

Chris Johnson still abused us. We would look like we had him pegged on one series, then he comes out in another series and breaks one long on us.
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It's possible it was their biggest win ever, but it's not even close to the best game they ever played. The game at GB last year easily comes to mind as a better played game. They played better in 2007 in Carolina as well. They smashed KC at home the week before that. There are others. But this was a good and important win no doubt. I'm seeing way too many breakdowns to annoint Gary as the next Cowher.
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I remember us beating the Titans last year and everybody thought we'd turned the corner then too.

Then we lost to the Raiders.
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I like this quote from Fisher:

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Major props to our offensive scheming coach K
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I really don't think this team's woes are on the coach. Capers had lost the team, but I've never seen any evidence of that with Kubiak. I know Kubes is at the top, and if he goes down just for that, it'll be a shame, but that's the price you pay for being at the top.

As I've alluded to in a couple other threads, though, I don't think that solves anything. It might make a few bloodthirsty fans happy, and it will satisfy "accountability", but the root problems will still be there for the successor.
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I like Kubiak the person. He's a nice guy and very likeable. Kubiak the Coach still has much to prove. The league moves very fast so I hope he can hold it together and get this team over the hump...for everyone'e sake.
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I like those annoyed looks he gives Bob Allen. "no Bob, its a long season"
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I swear this "best game ever" nonsense is crazy.
no, but it was probably the most entertaining.


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Just last week probably 90% of this board wanted the guy canned, and now he's might be the next Bill Cowher?
90% of the board most likely still does. thankfully we won and we can enjoy a few days without their bitching and whining and all of the "why are we so soft?" "what head coaches are available next season?" "who do we take #1 overall in next year's draft?" bullshit threads.
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To be fair, it's easy to take one
line out of my post and change
the context to prove your point.

MY point is that Kubial is learning
on the job, and the team has yet
to regress under his watch. The
talent overhaul this team went
through was dramatic and
is almost complete.

The next step is to find that
"mindset" that championship
teams have. Did you notice all
those big mistakes that Barber
and Mccain made on two of
those Johnson touchdowns
cost them reps on the field?

They are learning to become
more accountable. I see Busing
starting at safety next week
because of it. I wanted to see
improvement, and that's what I got.
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no, but it was probably the most entertaining.
I agree with that 100%. Easily the most entertaining Texans game I had ever seen. I just wish that I could have seen more from our running game, because it wasn't entertaining to see that part of our offense struggle again when I was already worried about the running game before the season started. I wasn't to surprised about the passing game, because Schaub had so much time and I've always said if you give Schuab time he's a great QB throwing wise. He threw one nice deep ball after another that was right on the money. A lot of people probably forget about that one he threw that Slaton missed. I've never seen the Texans shoot that many throws down the field like that. As far as those long balls went from Schaub is it was like poetry in motion.




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90% of the board most likely still does. thankfully we won and we can enjoy a few days without their bitching and whining and all of the "why are we so soft?" "what head coaches are available next season?" "who do we take #1 overall in next year's draft?" bullshit threads.
Well I can't really knock many of them as far as feeling some of that when you consider the history of this franchise and Kubiak's history as a coach that doesn't seem to get fired up really or get his team fired up. I just thought it was crazy from so many of his biggest supporters on this board to have jumped ship on the guy after one week in the first game where anyone that pays attention to the NFL should have known that the Jets were going to have a knock down defense with Ryan in there with the talent that he currently has at his disposal. They were simply going to be a bad match up for the Texans last week.

It was impressive to see the Texans throw the ball all over that secondary for the Titans though. The Titans had one of the best secondaries in football last season, but in their first two weeks they've been getting beaten left and right. I don't know if they just got bad, if they are rusty, or what the deal is with the Titans and that secondary with all of that talent or if the Texans are simply that good in the air when Schaub has time to throw. I guess it's a combination of both the Titans secondary getting a little worse and the Texans having more time to throw the ball and improving off of what they started last year in the passing game.
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Well I can't really knock many of them as far as feeling some of that when you consider the history of this franchise and Kubiak's history as a coach that doesn't seem to get fired up really or get his team fired up. I just thought it was crazy from so many of his biggest supporters on this board to have jumped ship on the guy after one week in the first game where anyone that pays attention to the NFL should have known that the Jets were going to have a knock down defense with Ryan in there with the talent that he currently has at his disposal.
i think some people here are finicky fans at best and manic depressives at worst. they seem to flock to the board when things don't go right. yeah, the jets game was pitiful but it was one game and early enough in the season to correct.

also have to disagree with the "kubiak doesn't get his players fired up" line. check out the postgame quotes and video at ht.com. the players seemed to rally behind kubiak's pregame speech.
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i think some people here are finicky fans at best and manic depressives at worst. they seem to flock to the board when things don't go right. yeah, the jets game was pitiful but it was one game and early enough in the season to correct.

also have to disagree with the "kubiak doesn't get his players fired up" line. check out the postgame quotes and video at ht.com. the players seemed to rally behind kubiak's pregame speech.
It happens on all 31 other teams fan boards so it's not just a Texan fan thing. Fan is short for fanatic and when things go wrong everyone wants to talk about it. Fewer fans like to run around patting each other on the back when things go well. It's just human nature to complain when disappointed methinks.
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To be fair, it's easy to take one
line out of my post and change
the context to prove your point.

MY point is that Kubial is learning
on the job, and the team has yet
to regress under his watch. The
talent overhaul this team went
through was dramatic and
is almost complete.

The next step is to find that
"mindset" that championship
teams have. Did you notice all
those big mistakes that Barber
and Mccain made on two of
those Johnson touchdowns
cost them reps on the field?

They are learning to become
more accountable. I see Busing
starting at safety next week
because of it. I wanted to see
improvement, and that's what I got.
That's the thing though. You seem to be only looking at the positives that you saw and ignoring the negatives that are very glaring situations right now.

Yes, there was improvements with the passing game compared to what we saw in week one, but we played what seems to be a secondary that has gotten worse than what they were last season, and no one really doubted what our passing attack could do this season. That was the team's biggest strength going into this season. It really wasn't a surprise yesterday other than all of those long balls Schaub threw and the fact that our #2 and #3 WR's out and we still looked that good throwing the ball.

But you seem to be ignoring this glaring problem we've had in the first two games in the running game of our offense which has been atrocious. Whether people want to anoint Chris Brown to first string or not, neither him or Slaton looked solid. There weren't hardly any holes that the line was opening for either of them and neither of them looked spectacular on any plays. This offense will have problems down the line if this running game doesn't pick up real soon.

And the defense well there was no improvements there. Matter of fact it looked much worse than it did last week with the mental lapses and the missed tackles.

Over all I saw two huge problems where we "did not" improve which is in the running game and on the defense and that worries me for the long term down the stretch of the season. We saw this stuff in pre season with the defense and it only seems to be getting worse with Mike Bell torching us for huge plays, to Peterson running all over us not being touched, to Thomas Jones running all over us, to now watching Chris Johnson have a career day on us where he looked like Reggie Bush at USC yesterday.

The one thing I'm glad that I heard though was that Kubes wasn't all that happy after the game and talked about tons of mistakes and poor play from a lot of our players which is what he should be focusing on. I do like that part from Gary Kubiak. I just want to see some fire in the guy where he looks competitive.
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There is one huge improvement on defense. They have ALREADY
created more 3rd and long situations in just two games, than
Richard Smith's defense did all of last season. They have two
rookies and a first-year starter on defense busting coverages.

They clean that shit up, and this defense will be tough to move the
ball on. In Richard Smith's defense, Joey Harrington became Colt
Mccoy-like in his efficiency, and THAT is with VETERANS playing
those positions. Let this rooks learn to stop busting coverage on 3rd
down, and they get off the field. I heard an interview with Dunta, and
he said that all those 3rd downs Sanchez was completing, was because
2 or 3 players busted their assignments.

That is expected to IMPROVE has these players get reps in Bush's scheme.
I'm not omitting the negatives, I'm just acknowledging that they're fixable. The
early part of last season, people were criticizing Alex Gibbs because the
team couldn't run the ball. As the season progressed, the O-line got
more reps, and the offense EXPLODED yardage-wise.

Look at the whole picture, dude. I choose to not blow up all the negatives.
I choose to build on the positives, and MINIMIZE the negatives. Jacoby
could have cried like a baby that he dropped an easy 20-yard completion.
He chose to move forward, and on the VERY NEXT PLAY, he catches an
AMAZING touchdown. Take those two plays, and you have my mentality
on the progress of this team.
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