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Old 09-14-2009   #1
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So, apparently the book on the Texans around the league is we are soft....no real news to some of us unfortunately.

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Rex RyanAPJets coach Rex Ryan's team out-toughed the Houston Texans.

Well, that's how the Houston Texans are being labeled around the league following their 24-7 loss to the New York Jets.

“What we want to do is get hands on them and be physical,” Jets linebacker Bart Scott said in remarks distributed by the team. “That's how you beat a finesse team. ..

"We got to set the tone, we’re a physical defense. We dare you to come up and butt heads with us and that’s what you have to do. You got to come up, make guys know it’s not going to be a comfortable pocket."

Jets coach Rex Ryan reportedly questioned the Texans' toughness in a pregame speech.

"When Rex came here, he pretty much brought that old-school, nasty mentality with him," linebacker David Harris said. "I think it trickled down through all the players today. We out-toughed them."

Both Scott and Harris delivered some big hits, including Scott's shot on quarterback Matt Schaub and a Harris hit on a receiver.

"The great boxers go to the body first and go to the head later," Scott said. "You have to hit 'em in the mouth and tell them it isn't going to be easy: 'If you want to go through the road, you have to pay the toll.'"

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“What we want to do is get hands on them and be physical,” linebacker Bart Scott said. “That's how you beat a finesse team.” - from RJ chron
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Posted by ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky

What I think they are thinking in the headquarters of the four AFC South teams Monday morning:

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The Jets called us a finesse team after they whooped us, and what sort of believable denial can we issue in response based on what happened? We need to prove we’re tough, and Sunday’s game in Tennessee won’t be an easy place to do it. Message No. 1 Monday for players has to be about how we need to work and fight our way out of this, not spend any further time feeling sorry for ourselves. We don’t need to send messages with words written on our shoes, we need to send them with our play. Drop another game and a slow start is an issue yet again. In Tennessee, our big-name guys need big game performances.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post?id=3278
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of course he did, Vinny. We are soft. We play to our coaches personality. Carebear attitude and a bunch of lame coachspeak. Ryan doesn't buy into this BS gentleman's sport chivalry attitude that Kubiak is so fond of. Ryan calls a spade a spade and needless to say if Ryan's team played like Gary's did, Ryan would have lit them up like a christmas tree. Instead, Gary goes to his team and says it was 'on me'. Gary, you really suck.

Kubiak is part of that lame 50's era football mentality that never wins squat but they play 'the right way'. give me a break. Football is a violent sport that requires toughness and attitude not chivalry and being 'the good guy'. This isn't UIL football Gary. This is the NFL. You have proven you can do well when you have Steve Young or John Elway but with anyone else you are pants.

Kubiak has done a decent job with the offense since YKW's departure, but he was hired to be a head coach, and the guy just sucks as a HC.

Gary better get this turned around real fast or this season is gonna go into the crapper and Gary's head coaching future with it.
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Rex RyanAPJets coach Rex Ryan's team out-toughed the Houston Texans.

Well, that's how the Houston Texans are being labeled around the league following their 24-7 loss to the New York Jets.

“What we want to do is get hands on them and be physical,” Jets linebacker Bart Scott said in remarks distributed by the team. “That's how you beat a finesse team. ..

"We got to set the tone, we’re a physical defense. We dare you to come up and butt heads with us and that’s what you have to do. You got to come up, make guys know it’s not going to be a comfortable pocket."

Jets coach Rex Ryan reportedly questioned the Texans' toughness in a pregame speech.

"When Rex came here, he pretty much brought that old-school, nasty mentality with him," linebacker David Harris said. "I think it trickled down through all the players today. We out-toughed them."

Both Scott and Harris delivered some big hits, including Scott's shot on quarterback Matt Schaub and a Harris hit on a receiver.

"The great boxers go to the body first and go to the head later," Scott said. "You have to hit 'em in the mouth and tell them it isn't going to be easy: 'If you want to go through the road, you have to pay the toll.'"

Ouch.



Hard to argue any of that, we got man-handled and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

I am sure we can muster some meaningless W's in Decemeber and just finish 500 again though, yay.
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of course he did, Vinny. We are soft. We play to our coaches personality. Carebear attitude and a bunch of lame coachspeak. Ryan doesn't buy into this BS gentleman's sport chivalry attitude that Kubiak is so fond of. Ryan calls a spade a spade and needless to say if Ryan's team played like Gary's did, Ryan would have lit them up like a christmas tree. Instead, Gary goes to his team and says it was 'on me'.

Kubiak is part of that lame 50's era football mentality that never wins squat but they play 'the right way'. give me a break. Football is a violent sport that requires toughness and attitude not chivalry and being 'the good guy'.

Kubiak has done a decent job with the offense since YKW's departure, but he was hired to be a head coach, and the guy just sucks as a HC.

Gary better get this turned around real fast or this season is gonna go into the crapper and Gary's head coaching future with it.
What are you even talking about? Where does Gary ever say they play with chivalry and the "right way"

Just this past weekend people were all upset because one of the defensive players said they were looking to play aggressive and "get flags"

Its one thing to go off the deep end after 1 loss (it happens every week here), but to just make up random stuff? This is exhausting
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Er, the Texans have had that label for three seasons now.
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Soft would be an upgrade. We're more like invisible.
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I think Richard Simmons called the Texans soft yesterday . The ZBS used to be deemed dirty , which made you a feared team . I've read where they changed rules so it's not nearly as feared .

You just can't beat my guys will bust your guys in the chops , drive it down your throat , and make you like it .
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What are you even talking about? Where does Gary ever say they play with chivalry and the "right way"

Just this past weekend people were all upset because one of the defensive players said they were looking to play aggressive and "get flags"

Its one thing to go off the deep end after 1 loss (it happens every week here), but to just make up random stuff? This is exhausting
If you don't see it, you dont see it. Gary's style of coaching is very carebear and niiiiiiice. He doesn't show emotion and rarely criticizes anyone with anything other than coachspeak or the good ole 'you know, we just didn't get the job done' BS. he is a flatliner and his team takes on a coaches personality. Bring us a guy in here who will rip someone a new ahole and tell it like it is....maybe then we will get some accountability and some passion in this squad. I don't need a bunch of choirboys...I want a bunch of winners.

I dont care about flags and getting penalties. penalties are bad. pushing the envelope and being aggressive and punishing on the football field is how you win games. the Texans come out flat just like Kubiak coaches.
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Here is another piece along the same lines from the New York Times. Can anyone see Kubiak make this kind of a speech where his players want to run through a wall for him?

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HOUSTON — The seeds for the Jets’ season-opening trouncing of the Houston Texans were planted Saturday night at the team hotel. There, on the eve of his first game as a head coach, Rex Ryan delivered a speech his players described as fiery and passionate.

When Ryan finished, fullback Tony Richardson said, every person in the room, including General Manager Mike Tannenbaum, wanted to grab shoulder pads and head straight for Reliant Stadium. Ryan had given the Jets more than a blueprint with his speech. He had delivered genuine, powerful inspiration.

It showed Sunday against the favored Houston Texans, the hometown team the Jets defeated, 24-7, behind a destructive defense and in front of 70,118 fans. Ryan and the rookie quarterback Mark Sanchez secured their first N.F.L. victory together. Ryan did not coach like a rookie; Sanchez did not play like one.

“We needed to call the N.F.L.P.A. and put him on the banned substances list,” nose tackle Kris Jenkins said, referring to the players union. “Because whatever he said was performance enhancing.”

Cornerback Darrelle Revis watched the way Ryan’s eyes watered with emotion as he spoke, noting how much this meant to him. Linebacker Bart Scott, who followed Ryan north from Baltimore in the off-season, watched the way the body language of his teammates changed when they were infused with Ryan’s passion.
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Er, the Texans have had that label for three seasons now.
Capers at least had the team play hard..at least until the DC experiment was a blatant failure and the locker room was lost.

Kubiak's friends at DC have done nothing but field soft and uninspired teams year after year.
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Is this like Stay Puff marshmallow soft or Charmin toilet paper soft? Either way, you get roasted or someone wipes their butt with you. Soft is the last label you want attached to your football team. Maybe we can get Mr. Whipple out of retirement to coach this team.
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If you don't see it, you dont see it. Gary's style of coaching is very carebear and niiiiiiice. He doesn't show emotion and rarely criticizes anyone with anything other than coachspeak or the good ole 'you know, we just didn't get the job done' BS. he is a flatliner and his team takes on a coaches personality. Bring us a guy in here who will rip someone a new ahole and tell it like it is....maybe then we will get some accountability and some passion in this squad. I don't need a bunch of choirboys...I want a bunch of winners.

I dont care about flags and getting penalties. penalties are bad. pushing the envelope and being aggressive and punishing on the football field is how you win games. the Texans come out flat just like Kubiak coaches.
All of that is worthless garbage in my opinion. You can yell and cuss and pep talk your team all you want, but in the end, the actual coaching is what wins games. We tried the yeller and the cusser and it didn't work. We tried the intelectual coach and it didn't work.

You can either coach or you can't. Yelling at the team and giving them pep talks is just a bunch of fluff. Of course the winning team is going to say they were super pumped before the game. im sure our guys were as well. They just got outplayed and outcoached. I doubt the yelling had anything to do with it
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All of that is worthless garbage in my opinion. You can yell and cuss and pep talk your team all you want, but in the end, the actual coaching is what wins games. We tried the yeller and the cusser and it didn't work. We tried the intelectual coach and it didn't work.

You can either coach or you can't. Yelling at the team and giving them pep talks is just a bunch of fluff. Of course the winning team is going to say they were super pumped before the game. im sure our guys were as well. They just got outplayed and outcoached. I doubt the yelling had anything to do with it
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Capers at least had the team play hard..at least until the DC experiment was a blatant failure and the locker room was lost.

Kubiak's friends at DC have done nothing but field soft and uninspired teams year after year.
But Richard Smith was a fiery guy who yelled a lot? He criticized the players. Especially Jethro Franklin. Why didn't that work?
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exactly, Vinny. Ryan is a leader and can inspire teams. He proved it his first Sunday as HC. Gary just doesn't have that in his DNA. He hasn't showed it in going on 4 years.

How many times do we have to be behind 17-0 or start the season with a whimper before people get it?

Based on the change in this forum's tone, it takes 3 years and one game of witnessing it. I am proud of this forum for not sugarcoating this loss. There are a few trying to do it, but it looks like people are finally seeing Gary for what he is. A woefully unqualified, unprepared, and incapable head coach.

glad I am not alone in this sentiment.
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But Richard Smith was a fiery guy who yelled a lot? He criticized the players. Especially Jethro Franklin. Why didn't that work?
just yelling isn't going to get the job done. no one is saying that. you gotta have inspirational ability and have true leadership AND the ability to X and O. Gary has some of the latter traits but very little of the former.
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First off, I definitely think we're a soft finesse team. But I think it has more to do with being consistant, which this team has yet to create since their inception. For instance, we fought the titans last season with toughness and grit, yet turned around and laid an egg the following week.
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I love my team but they're all a bunch of pansies. I think Bill Kollar has more intensity than any other member of the entire Houston Texans organization. Let's suit him up!
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We are the NFL version of the Tin man from Wizard of Oz :-(
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Default Re: Article: Texans' toughness questioned

Just to say that they are "soft" is masking what the real problem is.

If you lose the battle on the line, is that what "soft" means? Take Chris Meyers vs. Brian Jenkins for example. Was Myers "soft"?

Or was it that he got physically beaten by player much bigger and stronger than him?

Or take the line play in general. Where do you draw the line between attitude and physical ability?
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