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Old 09-14-2009   #21
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Hey, I feel like I'm stepping in from the wayback machine. Some of you guys remember when some fan wanted to sue the team over their parking problem....before they even parked one car. Before the first game was played there was one fan who started a thread proclaiming they are going to sue the Texans if they didn't get their parking situation fixed! Well, he meant the perceived parking problem since we didn't have one yet. I got a cookie for anyone who remembers who that fan was.
Fortunately I missed that whole incident
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We are in year 8 and we see the same crap over and over again. This organization is WAY TOO SLOW in making needed changes and is not proactive. This problem starts at the top. Dick Smith should have been fired after his first year here and should not have been allowed to waste 3 years of our time. Also, Kubiak should have been forced to hire an experienced defensive coordinator.

McNair is not going to sell the cash cow he has. The best we can hope for is for him to give up control to his sons.

We need some young blood to shake up EVERYTHING with the Texans. A new attitude focused on WINNING and not BS like being good little Christian boys. McNair needs to focus on the piles of cash he is making and on his horses in Kentucky and let someone with fresh blood run the Texans.
No thanks. Firstly, there is nothing wrong with having an attitude to the organization that makes it look respectable by having almost entirely law abiding players, who do great work off the field to make sure that they serve the local (and larger) communities. Who do you want instead...results orientated players such as Plax, T.O. and Pacman? Our performance has nothing with 'being good little Christian boys'...that is an aside, unless you want out defensive line to start cheap shotting the opposition QB to try and get him injured as a tactic for winning...

Second up, as far as I know, isn't McNair the reason that Houston has pro football at the moment? Sure he makes money out of it (a lot too!), but at the end of the day, its his team, he can do what he wants with it. He isn't a knee jerk kind of guy, which is good IMO....sure sometimes it will take a little too long to get your bust starting QB outta town, but thats better than panicking and making rash decisions.

As for the defensive coordinator stuff....are we a defensive write off after week one? What happens tomorrow then? We find a new defensive coordinator who has experience, and can 'fix' everything?

TBH, I just can't justify making demands from McNair about how he should run his business.
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No thanks. Firstly, there is nothing wrong with having an attitude to the organization that makes it look respectable by having almost entirely law abiding players, who do great work off the field to make sure that they serve the local (and larger) communities. Who do you want instead...results orientated players such as Plax, T.O. and Pacman? Our performance has nothing with 'being good little Christian boys'...that is an aside, unless you want out defensive line to start cheap shotting the opposition QB to try and get him injured as a tactic for winning...

Second up, as far as I know, isn't McNair the reason that Houston has pro football at the moment? Sure he makes money out of it (a lot too!), but at the end of the day, its his team, he can do what he wants with it. He isn't a knee jerk kind of guy, which is good IMO....sure sometimes it will take a little too long to get your bust starting QB outta town, but thats better than panicking and making rash decisions.

As for the defensive coordinator stuff....are we a defensive write off after week one? What happens tomorrow then? We find a new defensive coordinator who has experience, and can 'fix' everything?
TBH, I just can't justify making demands from McNair about how he should run his business.
Wasn't Gregg Williams, the defensive coordinator with New Orleans(and the guy whose defense shut us down in preseason) available when we knew we were going to be interviewing for a new DC? Might he not have done the same thing in Houston that he looks like he has done for the Saints?
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It's the first thing TexansFight was known for around here (the guy that started this thread). The long timers know what I'm talking about and my memory is pretty good (just as an aside). Since he started this thread it brought back the memory of those absurd threats and rants. TF basically told us he is a lawyer and would personally sue the team...so I kinda consider it something kinda memorable.
I remember hence the deja vu joke I had
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Sometimes it is just best to not post the day after a loss.

Some of the posters make it seem like the end of the world when we lose a football game.

It is after all - just a game. There will be 16 other teams that lose their first game. And 16 teams that will lose their second game. It is a game, just entertainment. Not life or death.

Some of the posters are like little 2 year olds, throwing a temper tantrum because their team lost a game. Fire A, Fire B, etc. As if they could do a better job. Yeah right.

Mario missed a sack - fire him, Andre missed a catch - fire him, Coach didn't call a good game - fire him. Defense sucked - fire them all.

This is getting so old it isn't funny anymonre. It is just downright depressing on this board. Everyone thinks there is a 60 sec fix for everything so let's just fire them and find someone else to fix us up for next week. And if that don't work we will just fire them and find someone else for the following week.

It is still - just a game.
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VERY well said.

The owner is at the top. Period.

He has the power and the money to make a change. Any change.

And while you don't want an owner to make hasty changes, you do want them to define where the sidewalk ends and the road begins.

If THIS sort of play doesn't end today. If we suck for four games, and eek out an 8-8 or even a glorious 9-7 record...I think he's gone. I would hope he is. There are 7 or 8 players on this team who deserve one more shot with a staff that might be able to do something.

This team needs an identity at any cost, IMO. This feels like the Kubiak version of David Carr's last season with us.
The first change I hope McNair makes is firing the Reliant Stadium DJ and hire the Toyota Center DJ. All this country Music at a football game is just killing me. Not to piss of CW fans but the rodeo will be here in no time but to me, CW music and football just don't mix.
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That was in response to the OP - a more 'proactive' owner.



We'll have to agree to disagree. McNair has hired GM's and coaches with pedigrees, histories of success. Then he's largely stayed the hell out of the way and let them do their job. That's how I like my Owner, especially when they have no personal experience in football. Of course he's made mistakes, but I prefer he shows patience over capricious decision making made to appease all the armchair QB's. If you want an owner that likes to turnover his staff with the seasons there's this team in Oakland you should check out.
That's not even a good comparison.

I am not advocating having a senile owner who makes irrational decisions every other day.

I didn't think there was any way Kubiak and this team could start the season as poorly as we did. Even if we lose by a FG or a TD, but stay competitive in this game, I'm fine with it. But we didn't show up, and that's a pattern that has happened too much under Kubiak's era.

A rookie head coach and a rookie QB made us look silly. More than silly, actually. This team was absent today. How do you do that, on opening weekend, in your own stadium, when you should be better than that?

There was a lot of banter about what makes Kubiak be "on the seat," and I think it's playoffs or bust if this is how he's going to start every season. Had we played better vs. the Jets yesterday, I'm not making this statement. But this is a very ominous start to the season, IMO.

You just don't play like that at the start of year 4.
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I know this game was horrible, but a really embarrassing 0-1 is not as bad as 0-4, which is how we started last year. I have PLENTY of complaints myself, but we might well be 5-3 seven or eight weeks from now. The reasons we lost so miserably might go down eventually as completely unexplainable. Or maybe Kubiak throws a fit, chews a lot of players out, and suddenly things change. You just never know.

I seem to remember a year when the Oilers went 12-4, but had to win the last 11 games in a row to make that happen. This means they were 1-4 at some point and finished with 12 wins. I remember the whole team looked like dog crap. EVERYONE was bad. Things change. Granted, that team had had success before and this one hasn't; but, it's just unpredictable when exactly things will finally start going right.

We beat the undefeated Titans the last time we played them. You-know-what COULD happen next Sunday. I wouldn't bet a dime on it right now, but it could.
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Sometimes it is just best to not post the day after a loss.

Some of the posters make it seem like the end of the world when we lose a football game.

It is after all - just a game. There will be 16 other teams that lose their first game. And 16 teams that will lose their second game. It is a game, just entertainment. Not life or death.

Some of the posters are like little 2 year olds, throwing a temper tantrum because their team lost a game. Fire A, Fire B, etc. As if they could do a better job. Yeah right.

Mario missed a sack - fire him, Andre missed a catch - fire him, Coach didn't call a good game - fire him. Defense sucked - fire them all.

This is getting so old it isn't funny anymonre. It is just downright depressing on this board. Everyone thinks there is a 60 sec fix for everything so let's just fire them and find someone else to fix us up for next week. And if that don't work we will just fire them and find someone else for the following week.

It is still - just a game.
There are a lot of people around here who only post after a loss so they can proclaim how right they are.
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There are a lot of people around here who only post after a loss so they can proclaim how right they are.
Outside of bashing Schaub for a whole season and a half, I have tried to remain positive and to not knee-jerk.

Having a negative outlook always leads to a person searching for disaster to hit so they can prove themselves right, like you've said.

It's why I stopped being negative. But after yesterday, it's getting pretty hard to stay positive and to try and say "Look, there is a silver lining to this gray cloud."

SWT and some others were right when they posted this yesterday: It's a pattern.

Patterns should be seen as being a persistent occurence of weaknesses or successes, which occur regularly and consistently BECAUSE of something.

I was anxious about the Jets game, but it does not match my anxiousness for the game vs. the Titans. Now I wonder if the pattern gets broken, or if it continues to persist. And we all know the odds on this deal, I'm afraid.
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The first change I hope McNair makes is firing the Reliant Stadium DJ and hire the Toyota Center DJ. All this country Music at a football game is just killing me. Not to piss of CW fans but the rodeo will be here in no time but to me, CW music and football just don't mix.
I agree with this. Too much Country & Western music.

Vinny, what does my anger at the parking situation way back when have to do with this thread. Come on man, you are better than that crap.
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Wasn't Gregg Williams, the defensive coordinator with New Orleans(and the guy whose defense shut us down in preseason) available when we knew we were going to be interviewing for a new DC? Might he not have done the same thing in Houston that he looks like he has done for the Saints?
We do not know whether or not he was contacted by the Texans.

There was a media report saying that Green Bay, Houston and Saints were all after him.

Pretty early on, his name got attached to the Saints.

Hard to say who the Texans contacted and got rejected. Sometimes those things aren't made public.

Marinelli was talked to about being a dline coach but that is one of the few names that came out as talked to, didn't want to.
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I agree with this. Too much Country & Western music.

Vinny, what does my anger at the parking situation way back when have to do with this thread. Come on man, you are better than that crap.
i agree wholeheartedly. the music is so so so bad. if i hear another song about a girl and her truck or that stupid Football Time In Houston song, I may have to vomit.

the songs are horrible and the songs that aren't country are all about 15-20 years old and never that good to begin with.

we need a new DJ and all this new lame country has to go. I can't stand it and I never see anyone up moving or dancing to it except the occassional liquored up MILF
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There are a lot of people around here who only post after a loss so they can proclaim how right they are.
and there are some that only post about other posters...grow up

its not my fault that your boy Kubiak sucks. maybe Gary will kiss it and make it all better.
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There are a lot of people around here who only post after a loss so they can proclaim how right they are.
It's a part of human nature I guess. Most businesses have a complaint department but you won't see too many praise departments. People like to voice their opinions when they aren't happy and most people tend to keep their mouths shut when things are going well. I learned a long time ago in business that the complainers will tell about ten people about how bad your service is, but if that same guy is happy most folks will tell a friend or two, but nothing like a person who is miffed or taken back by bad service. It's just one of those things that are common on all message boards from what I can see. It's not a local problem only type thing.
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I agree with this. Too much Country & Western music.

Vinny, what does my anger at the parking situation way back when have to do with this thread. Come on man, you are better than that crap.
hey, it's amusing and simple things seem to amuse me the most I guess. I'm not trying to shut you up, so feel free to light up whomever you think is the problem with the franchise. I'm just commenting and adding some historical perspective to the commentary du jour.
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That's not even a good comparison.

I am not advocating having a senile owner who makes irrational decisions every other day.

I didn't think there was any way Kubiak and this team could start the season as poorly as we did. Even if we lose by a FG or a TD, but stay competitive in this game, I'm fine with it. But we didn't show up, and that's a pattern that has happened too much under Kubiak's era.

A rookie head coach and a rookie QB made us look silly. More than silly, actually. This team was absent today. How do you do that, on opening weekend, in your own stadium, when you should be better than that?

There was a lot of banter about what makes Kubiak be "on the seat," and I think it's playoffs or bust if this is how he's going to start every season. Had we played better vs. the Jets yesterday, I'm not making this statement. But this is a very ominous start to the season, IMO.

You just don't play like that at the start of year 4.
I would sure as hell hope that's not a good comparison to what you want running your team. It's an example of a coach at the extreme end of the spectrum of 'proactive' (and crazy). The point is this: McNair could stand to be a bit more proactive about making changes, his patience has bit him in the ass before, but he's close enough to the middle of the spectrum that I can't lambast him too much for any of his mistakes. On the other hand, those wishing we had an Owner who was more proactive should beware, as Owner's who get their hand in the cookie jar too often can be much worse than what we've got IMO.
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I would sure as hell hope that's not a good comparison to what you want running your team. It's an example of a coach at the extreme end of the spectrum of 'proactive' (and crazy). The point is this: McNair could stand to be a bit more proactive about making changes, his patience has bit him in the ass before, but he's close enough to the middle of the spectrum that I can't lambast him too much for any of his mistakes. On the other hand, those wishing we had an Owner who was more proactive should beware, as Owner's who get their hand in the cookie jar too often can be much worse than what we've got IMO.
Would it be too much to ask Bob McNair to scream at the whole team, AND the coaches, and let them know that he's making notes on each player for when it comes time to do a new contract? Then throw something at a wall, and then storm out while he says "And I $#@!% mean it!!!"

These ARE grown men, obviously, but dang it! It looks like a bunch of guys who are not focused. I have to wonder if the coaching climate reflects the ownership.

Will Bob ever show a public display of extreme distaste for what he's watching on the field? Can he muster up a bad attitude once every 8 years, or is a mild and obscure retort what he considers to be a tongue-lashing?

If he can't dig on the coaches and players a little bit, and bypass the GM and say "I'm watching from here on out. I'm taking notes. And yours BETTER match up with mine to a large degree" then we're perpetually doomed. Aren't we?

Last time I checked, the owner has the keys to the bank vault and to the contracts of all persons on the team.

But we can't go there, because to "go there" would make some fans around here clinically depressed to even think about 40 years in the wilderness with this team.

I guess we can hope for the "blind squirrel" theory to apply, in terms of hoping we blindly stumble upon a great coach by accident. Because thus far, McNair is as much to blame as anybody. This is HIS team. He the boss.
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Geez, we're firing Kubiak, Bush, Myers, Schaub and now we're demoting the owner of the franchise?
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Would it be too much to ask Bob McNair to scream at the whole team, AND the coaches, and let them know that he's making notes on each player for when it comes time to do a new contract? Then throw something at a wall, and then storm out while he says "And I $#@!% mean it!!!"

These ARE grown men, obviously, but dang it! It looks like a bunch of guys who are not focused. I have to wonder if the coaching climate reflects the ownership.

Will Bob ever show a public display of extreme distaste for what he's watching on the field? Can he muster up a bad attitude once every 8 years, or is a mild and obscure retort what he considers to be a tongue-lashing?

If he can't dig on the coaches and players a little bit, and bypass the GM and say "I'm watching from here on out. I'm taking notes. And yours BETTER match up with mine to a large degree" then we're perpetually doomed. Aren't we?

Last time I checked, the owner has the keys to the bank vault and to the contracts of all persons on the team.

But we can't go there, because to "go there" would make some fans around here clinically depressed to even think about 40 years in the wilderness with this team.

I guess we can hope for the "blind squirrel" theory to apply, in terms of hoping we blindly stumble upon a great coach by accident. Because thus far, McNair is as much to blame as anybody. This is HIS team. He the boss.
You're mad and gosh dangit, you want the Owner to make a scene and look mad too. I understand the frustration. I'm not happy with the results we've gotten, but I like our Owner.
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