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Old 10-14-2012   #1501
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Who do you y'all want to hire?
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You know, it's interesting that you mention Matt's bad game because I thought before the game started when they showed him in pre-game warmups he had the weirdest look on his face. He looked like he was already whipped. I'm serious, I want to go back and dig up some screenshots of that because it caught my attention right away. It was some of the most negative, hang-dog looking it expression and body language I can remember ever seeing out of him. He looked like that all night from the opening drive. It's like he was pissed off about something and not something he could channel into his game.

I wonder what was up with that?
Absolutely nothing. Sounds like a buncha gibber gabber hokum to me. He just got his ass handed to him by Dom Capers.
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Actually, the great thing about bumping this three year old thread is that it isn't overreacting. It's a thought process that's been marinating for three years (more for some). It's not like the team got blown out tonight and people started thinking Kubiak is awful despite a 5-1 record. It's that we've thought he's awful for a very long time and the same old, same old problems resurfaced tonight. That's all.
The Texans are 5-1 right now.

Yeah he's not had the best of history but guess what? Coaches can improve and Kubiak has at least shown that.

If the Texans don't respond to this embarrassment and go out and let this happen again then it would have been a better time to bring this up.
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Actually, the great thing about bumping this three year old thread is that it isn't overreacting. It's a thought process that's been marinating for three years (more for some). It's not like the team got blown out tonight and people started thinking Kubiak is awful despite a 5-1 record. It's that we've thought he's awful for a very long time and the same old, same old problems resurfaced tonight. That's all.
No, you've just been waiting for some evidence to confirm your predisposed position all along, all these recent successes be damned. Your position is completely untenable and not worth arguing against. Kubiak could win a Super Bowl, then misuse a timeout in the next year's playoffs and you'd bump this thread.

Ridiculous.
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Unfortunately, I believe you're right.
I don't see him going anywhere in the next five years at least, unless the Texans implode this year and next.
Something I really don't want to happen.
Cowher, was the way to go, but oh well.
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If the Texans don't respond to this embarrassment and go out and let this happen again then it would have been a better time to bring this up.
It's not really an issue of "bringing it up" as much as a continual reminder that he wasn't, isn't, and never will be a good head coach. So there's nothing to bring up. It's just an ongoing fact.

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No one right now. The team is 5-1. They're going to the playoffs, barring some horrific meltdown. When I say "Fire Kubiak", I say it in the same way that I say we need to replace Bradie James. It's not happening tomorrow. There's no one to replace him with anyway. But if you're serious about wanting this to be the best team it can be, then you ought to recognize that they guy at the top is limiting that potential.
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I wonder if the 9ers fans are calling for Harbaugh to be fired.

They were smacked around today as well.
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I wonder if the 9ers fans are calling for Harbaugh to be fired.

They were smacked around today as well.
Does Harbaugh have a 6+ year record of mediocrity? If so, they probably were.
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Dom Capers. Redemption time.
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Then what purpose to stoke the fire (no pun intended) in week 6 ofthe season? Why not wait till later in the season



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No worries though coaches are made to be fired. Happens all the time. Good thing about threads like this. Eventually Kubiak will get fired and people will be happy
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Does Harbaugh have a 6+ year record of mediocrity? If so, they probably were.
The history does not really matter if he is improving and getting better.

The recent success should be all that matters right now.

Not all coaches get the job right away, there is a learning curve there too. Right now Kubiak's team is one of the best in the NFL. That counts for something. One loss no matter how bad it was is still one loss.
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Then what purpose to stoke the fire (no pun intended) in week 6 ofthe season? Why not wait till later in the season
The same reason you talk about problems with the team after every game. The run game is struggling, the OL has issues, the ILBs are weak, ST are crappy, and the head coach is not good. Just one more talking point, except of all those, it's the one talking point that hasn't been addressed at some point.

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No worries though coaches are made to be fired. Happens all the time. Good thing about threads like this. Eventually Kubiak will get fired and people will be happy
Not going to be happy because he's fired. I wanted the Kubiak thing to work. If the team gets to the Super Bowl, he'll be lauded like Bum in this town. I like Kubiak. But I want this team to be the best it can be and discussing the strengths AND weaknesses of the team is what fans do. Head coach is one of the weaknesses of the team.

I know everyone wants to frame this in a light like it's a reaction to this game. In the sense that Kubiak did some things at the end of the first half that raised my ire, it is. But more than that, it's that those issues are not new. They have always been there.
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The history does not really matter if he is improving and getting better.
The clock management issues and turtling before the half are issues that have always been there with Kubiak. He has not improved or gotten better. In fact, most of the problems he has exhibited as head coach have not gotten ebtter or changed appreciably. One of the main things people harped on was how he steadfastly held on to Richard Smith and then Frank Bush, despite the fact that any sentient being could tell those guys needed to be fired. Now everyone seems to think Joe Marciano needs to be fired. That's not new. ST didn't all of a sudden get bad.

He's not improving. He's just gotten better players, slowly, after several drafts. Frankly, it's taken him a lot longer to get here than it should have. He's just not a good coach. It's been 102 games. He is what he is.
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ST have been slipping for a couple of years
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ST have been slipping for a couple of years
As I said in another thread, long enough that the head guy should have made a change by now.
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The clock management issues and turtling before the half are issues that have always been there with Kubiak. He has not improved or gotten better. In fact, most of the problems he has exhibited as head coach have not gotten ebtter or changed appreciably. One of the main things people harped on was how he steadfastly held on to Richard Smith and then Frank Bush, despite the fact that any sentient being could tell those guys needed to be fired. Now everyone seems to think Joe Marciano needs to be fired. That's not new. ST didn't all of a sudden get bad.

He's not improving. He's just gotten better players, slowly, after several drafts. Frankly, it's taken him a lot longer to get here than it should have. He's just not a good coach. It's been 102 games. He is what he is.
They are 5-1. You think people don't have gripes about the best of coaches? They do. I've heard Giants fans complain about Coughlin, no coach is perfect. Yeah Kubes is conservative...but you know what? That has won us a lot of games.

Who cares about how he hung onto those guys now that we bought in a actual DC? Now say Wade gets another HC job and we go back to giving a unproven DC the job then yeah.

So he's gotten better players and his team looks better? Well that's usually how things work. A great coach isn't going to make the previous trashy teams we had any better. Also the fact that he has gotten better players is part of his job. (Just part of it)
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Amazing after a 5-0 start the Kubes party is over immediately after a loss to me. What I really want in a coach with the balls to lay a 40+ score beatdown on a team, not a team that is going to lay down on a dead team at home. **** Kubiak
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Amazing after a 5-0 start the Kubes party is over immediately after a loss to me. What I really want in a coach with the balls to lay a 40+ score beatdown on a team, not a team that is going to lay down on a dead team at home. **** Kubiak
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They are 5-1.
Irrelevant to the current discussion, because this is an issue that's 102 games in the making, not 6 games.

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Yeah Kubes is conservative...but you know what? That has won us a lot of games.
Knowing when to press and when to go conservative is one of those things that good decision making is comprised of.

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Who cares about how he hung onto those guys now that we bought in a actual DC? Now say Wade gets another HC job and we go back to giving a unproven DC the job then yeah.
Allow me to spell it out for you - he's exhibiting the same fault in loyalty with Joe Marciano right now that he exhibited with both Smith and Bush. In other words, he's not changing, he's not improving, and your entire premise is flawed.

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So he's gotten better players and his team looks better? Well that's usually how things work. A great coach isn't going to make the previous trashy teams we had any better. Also the fact that he has gotten better players is part of his job. (Just part of it)
It is part of his job. Therefore, the multitude of blown draft picks that led to things taking so long also fall at his doorstep. And a great coach may not take a trash team to the Super Bowl, but I think it's fair to say Kubiak's teams have underachieved in the past. Most notably 2009 and 2010. His teams - that he built - with coaches he hired - with a GM that he hired. Noticing the common denominator here?

But hey, the team is 5-1 and we are all happy with that, tonight's loss notwithstanding. But as I said above, fans discuss the strengths AND the weaknesses of a team. Kubiak is a weakness, just like Alan Ball or Antoine Caldwell or Brandon Harris. So it's going to be discussed. It's been a weakness for at least three years, so the wait and see period is over for a lot of us. If you still believe, then good for you.
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Absolutely nothing. Sounds like a buncha gibber gabber hokum to me. He just got his ass handed to him by Dom Capers.

This was prior to his having his "ass handed to him by Dom Capers".
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