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Old 09-10-2009   #1
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Default 2010 Safeties

Safety... The last line of defense. A good safety can change games by shutting down the passing game or a monster hit. Sadly, our Texans have never had an elite safety, and rarely have we had passable safeties. Next years draft class is pretty thick at the top with safety talent. Here are the top prospects, by my rankings.

Tier 1- Elite Prospects

Tennessee FS/SS Eric Berry, 5'11" 203
Berry is the cream of the safety crop. Quick, fast, agile, strong, the kid has it all. He will most likely hold the record for interception return yards by the end of the season, as just a junior. Ball hawk with power.

USC FS/SS Taylor Mays, 6'3" 235
Mays is a LB sized safety with elite speed. Dont believe the 4.2 rumors though, the USC track is very fast. If he came out last year, he would have been a top 15 pick, and the first safety off the board. Next years draft could see him sliding into the top ten. A punishing hitter, he is not the ballhawk that Berry is. This could be because of the system he plays in. Still, a great player.

Tier 1 1/2- Very Good Prospects

Georgia Tech FS/SS Morgan Burnett, 6'1" 210 lbs
Burnett is flying up my draft board thanks to some of the posters here. I urge people to start watching him closely, he is the real deal. He should be available in the late teens, so maybe within our grasp. He is more of a coverage DB.

Tier 2- Good Prospects

Georgia SS/FS Reshad Jones, 6'2" 212 lbs
Jones is a hard player to figure out. Some people love him and put him in the middle of the first, others put him in the 3rd. I am in the middle. Jones was the best player in the Georgia secondary. He is not afraid to stick his nose in, and has good ball skills. I think he will go in the early second.

Kansas SS Darrell Stuckey, 5'11" 205 lbs
Stuckey is one of my favorite DB's in the draft. He is a great tackling safety who is unafraid of contact. He is also a very high quality person. I am a little afraid of his pass defense, but it happens.

LSU FS Chad Jones, 6'3' 214
Jones is an athletic centerfielder who does not quite live up to his billing. His play needs to step up this year.

Tier 3- Solid Prospects

Ex- Florida State SS Myron Rolle, 6'2" 223 lbs
Rolle was a great safety, but is taking a year off from football to further his education. Reports are that he is still training, but we will see how he does in the combine (he will get an invite).

South Florida FS Nate Allen, 6'1" 206 lbs
An underrated safety from the Big East, Allen has ball skills, athleticism and is a physical player. The problem? He plays in the Big East. Allen should be a solid contributor at the next level.

Florida FS Major Wright, 6' 204 lbs
I am not as high on Wright as other people are, but he could be a good backup that turns into an effective starter in a few years. I feel that he looks better than he is because of the level of talent on the Florida D.

Virginia Tech SS Kam Chancellor, 6'3" 230
I was very high on Chancellor before the season, but he disappointed last week. He has all the ability, but does not seem to understand the safety position. He might be more suited to a move to OLB. However, he does have the speed for SS, and more than enough strength


Ok, thats what I got. Please discuss, disagree, or suggest people that I left out.

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Arguably two of the best defenses the last few years have had top caliber S play. The Steelers with Polamalu and the Ravens with Ed Reed. Different styles but an impact player who changes the game. Defensive guru Jeff Fisher has always put a premium on S play as well and Michael Griffin is a rising star on what was a heck of a D last year too.
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I think Myron Rolle is going to end up being classified in the tier 1 1/2 classification. He is a very fluid player, extremely intelligent, and a great athlete to top it off. Hopefully TexansSeminole comes in here and can add some more information since he's watched him play for the past couple of years.

However Eric Berry is at the top of my list. I love the way he plays. I have a huge man-crush on him.
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Arguably two of the best defenses the last few years have had top caliber S play. The Steelers with Polamalu and the Ravens with Ed Reed. Different styles but an impact player who changes the game. Defensive guru Jeff Fisher has always put a premium on S play as well and Michael Griffin is a rising star on what was a heck of a D last year too.
Yeah, I think elite safties are starting to make more and more of a difference now days. Bob Sanders has been a huge difference maker for the Colts and was that difference in that season when they made that SB run.

Griffin was the guy I wanted the Texans to draft over anyone when we went after Okoye. Everyone raved on and on about Landry and Nelson, but Griffin had clearly been the best safety in college between all 3 and I knew he would be the best in the pros. Griffin is such a freaking stud.

I would do every thing to get Eric berry and even trade up for the guy. He would mean so much to any defense. Safeties like him only come along every 4 years or so like a Griffin, Sean Taylor, or a an Ed Reed.
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I think Myron Rolle is going to end up being classified in the tier 1 1/2 classification. He is a very fluid player, extremely intelligent, and a great athlete to top it off. Hopefully TexansSeminole comes in here and can add some more information since he's watched him play for the past couple of years.

However Eric Berry is at the top of my list. I love the way he plays. I have a huge man-crush on him.
I like Rolle well enough, its the layoff that worries me. I had him as a 2nd rounder last year, but a year off knocks him back a round or two.
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The thing with Taylor Mays is that USC's defense has been very stout on the front 7.

Yet, a lot of teams still try to run on them (and/or go with the short pass) at the beginnning of the game to keep the score close.
So he does not have as many chances as other safeties.

You would think that with USC mostly ahead that the other teams would pass more, but it wasn't the case.

Last year, their opponents ran the ball 387 times, while attempting only 345 passes in the regular season (4 TDs).

And when they did pass, they stayed away from him mostly.

And it looks the same this year.
In a losing effort (3-56), the San Jose St. Spartans ran 31 times and passed 30 times, none his way.

There was only one instance that he had to come over to the side line to help out a CB.
The CB committed interference.
That slowed down the WR and they called a late hit on Mays.
(I don't think it was but I would have to go back and check).
It was a big hit, an enforcer type of hit.
There was no way that receiver (6'0-190) can hang on to the ball.

He had to go get after the ball himself to get into action.

5 assists and one solo tackle (all on running plays).

The solo was when he came up close to the LOS and chased behind the LOS to the other side to get to the ball carrier, who had run off-tackle or some sort of outside run. (I might have to go back and look at this play.
I don't care if he doesn't run a 4'2.
That right there is faster than fast.

I will try to watch Burnett next in the Ga Tech game.
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Rolle was always a solid player but two things concern/ed me about him. One is that he never really improved that much, he was pretty much the same player in his last year than he was in his first year. The other is that he never made any big plays. Game after game, year after year Seminole fans would wait for him to have a breakout year but he never did.

Rolle overall is a good tackler when he gets his hands on you and average in coverage. However, he will take really bad angles on occasion, he doesn't take full advantage of his athleticism, and he is the opposite of what you would call a ballhawk.

I love Myron Rolle for everything he has accomplished, he is a truly great Seminole but as far as NFL potential I wouldn't take him until the 4th round in the 2010 draft.

I've always said that Myron Rolle needs to stick to academics. For as good as he is at football, he is 10 times more talented in the academic world. He's already starting up a free medical clinic in Exuma in the Bahamas. He is going to finance the project through his non profit foundation that bears his name. The free clinic will also bear his name. He's partnered up with FSU so med students will provide free treatment. Rolle said that if they need an X-ray done on the island they have to make a plane ride and he felt it was wrong.

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Dont get me wrong; I love Mays as a prospect. If Berry is 1a then Mays is 1b, the Texans would be upgraded big time with either of these guys. Burnett as well.
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Dont get me wrong; I love Mays as a prospect. If Berry is 1a then Mays is 1b, the Texans would be upgraded big time with either of these guys. Burnett as well.
I know! What I want to do is to study these guys, that's all.
I'm not endorsing any of these guys 110% at the moment.
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rmartin65, excellent write up. For purposes of the Texans I think I'd rather have Burnett over Mays at SS, because I want someone who has better coverage and ballhawk skills. Mays is a great athlete with great speed as well but I also wonder if he's patially at least a product to the system that he plays in and the fact that he has so much talent around him. I saw Burnett in the 1st quarter of the Clemson game tonight and he was impressive, very good speed and seemed to be in on almost every defensive play and wasn't afraid to tackle.

I know it's overrated but does anyone know what Burnett's 40 time is?
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rmartin65, excellent write up. For purposes of the Texans I think I'd rather have Burnett over Mays at SS, because I want someone who has better coverage and ballhawk skills. Mays is a great athlete with great speed as well but I also wonder if he's patially at least a product to the system that he plays in and the fact that he has so much talent around him. I saw Burnett in the 1st quarter of the Clemson game tonight and he was impressive, very good speed and seemed to be in on almost every defensive play and wasn't afraid to tackle.

I know it's overrated but does anyone know what Burnett's 40 time is?
Out of HS, his 40 time was mediocre 4.56; but his shuttle speed of 4.00 was better. (At the Nike camp).

I think I've read somewhere that he runs in the 4.40s; I can't be sure of that though.
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Well, after doing some research they only credited him to 1 tackle, but I can't see how that is accurate as I saw him in on a bunch of tackles.
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Well, after doing some research they only credited him to 1 tackle, but I can't see how that is accurate as I saw him in on a bunch of tackles.
where did you see that?
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What I know for sure is that he should be credited for an assist for the first running play.

Then he came up and made a nice PBU but the D was called for offsides.

On 3rd and 2 he came up and made a tackle to stop the runner one yard short of the first down.

On the next series, he came up and turned the runner in, then joined the tackling. Don't know if he will get credit for an assist or not.

I'll look at the game some more later!

At any rate, the official tallies should be out tomorrow.
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Well, after doing some research they only credited him to 1 tackle, but I can't see how that is accurate as I saw him in on a bunch of tackles.
I actually think that is pretty accurate. He might have had a couple more, but I mainly saw him as the third or fourth guy in, not the guy actually making the hit.
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Eric Berry highlight videos:

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The best two are the 2nd one down, and the Berry vs. Mays one.
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The best two are the 2nd one down, and the Berry vs. Mays one.

Eric Berry really reminds me of Troy Polamalu, the way he runs, his speed, his fearlessness, his tackling ability, his wreckless abandonment in the secondary and athleticism. Some really bad team is going to get him, hopefully not Oakland, or some mediocre team is going to trade up and get him. I hate watching his video highlights because I get hyped up about someone who won't be available for us and would cost way to much to trade up and get. Maybe we can get Morgan Burnett instead, he's almost as good.
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Arguably two of the best defenses the last few years have had top caliber S play. The Steelers with Polamalu and the Ravens with Ed Reed. Different styles but an impact player who changes the game. Defensive guru Jeff Fisher has always put a premium on S play as well and Michael Griffin is a rising star on what was a heck of a D last year too.
I think Tennessee usually plays with CB/S hybrids. Guys who can cover and get to the ball.
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I think Tennessee usually plays with CB/S hybrids. Guys who can cover and get to the ball.
They do. Eric Berry was a CB in high school.
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