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Old 09-07-2009   #41
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Default Re: Could Darrelle Revis actually shut down AJ?

Aren't Pace and Ellis out for this game? If so the better question would be will Gholston be able to get through Winston and/or Brown to get to Schaub?

From what I watched of the Jets in preseason Gholston looks like he's still struggling to live up to expectations. It should be interesting to see how he does on Sunday.
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Man you guys can't take any critism at all. Even when I'm not criticizing. Maybe AJ will win the battle against Revis but the other 10 guys will have a little something to say about the outcome. Did I say we'd win? Nope. Just replying to a post.
Criticism is cool.

Not to expect any blow back isn't understandable.

You came in here telling us what we should be worried about. Not considering we may very well be worried about it, but this particular thread was about a particular match-up of this game.

I don't think we've got a thread dedicated to this game yet. But if you read through my post, you'll see that I warn about our team & our coaches taking this game lightly.

I respect your backfield, and have said so.
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Aren't Pace and Ellis out for this game? If so the better question would be will Gholston be able to get through Winston and/or Brown to get to Schaub?

From what I watched of the Jets in preseason Gholston looks like he's still struggling to live up to expectations. It should be interesting to see how he does on Sunday.
In a 3-4, the DE's aren't necessarily lined up over the OTs. It depends on what they're thinking, and what they are trying to do. But default situation, the DE's are lined up against the guards.

We're talking 5 on 5 when we're looking at a 3-4, which is why this defense is difficult to run against. All your line men have someone in front of them, so getting to the second level isn't a given for any of the front 5.

In Pass pro, you're exactly right. Calvin Pace would be working against Duane Brown (who has shown difficulty working against a 3-4 rush end) or a tight-end, OD or Dressen.

The guys that concern me the most, out of their front 7, is Kris Jenkins, and Bart Scott. If we have trouble running the ball, it's going to be because of these two.

I understand our passing game dictates our offense. It is after all a WCO. But if we can't keep our offense on the field....... which should be read "running game". We're going to be asking an aweful lot of our suspect defense.
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I'm gonna call my shot. If the Jets stick Revis on AJ mano e mano, AJ will take advantage of Revis's 4 inches he gives up to AJ. If Matt Schaub is not getting pressured, it's going to be lights out. He may or may not get into the endzone but he will move the chains if Revis is on an island.
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I'm gonna call my shot. If the Jets stick Revis on AJ mano e mano, AJ will take advantage of Revis's 4 inches he gives up to AJ. If Matt Schaub is not getting pressured, it's going to be lights out. He may or may not get into the endzone but he will move the chains if Revis is on an island.
So you think Matt Schaub will be ready for week 1?

You think Schaub has a knack for putting the ball where only AJ can get it?

You think Schaub knows how to take advantage of a mismatch?

I'd like to know why you think such things. I've seen good/great QBs do the things you're talking about. I'm not ready to put Matt Schuab in that group.

If the Texans are even concerned about Darrelle Revis, which I think they should be, you're going to see one of those unexplainable games where we kept the ball out of AJ's hands.
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So you think Matt Schaub will be ready for week 1?

You think Schaub has a knack for putting the ball where only AJ can get it?

You think Schaub knows how to take advantage of a mismatch?

I'd like to know why you think such things. I've seen good/great QBs do the things you're talking about. I'm not ready to put Matt Schuab in that group.

If the Texans are even concerned about Darrelle Revis, which I think they should be, you're going to see one of those unexplainable games where we kept the ball out of AJ's hands.
You wouldn't put Matt Schaub in the "good" QB group? Yeah, he's injury prone out the whazoo, but he's been quite good in the time that he has been healthy.
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You wouldn't put Matt Schaub in the "good" QB group? Yeah, he's injury prone out the whazoo, but he's been quite good in the time that he has been healthy.
David Carr has looked good in this system. Sage Rosenfels has looked good in this system. Rex freak'n Grossman has looked good in this system.


Jake the Snake has looked good in the system. Bob(??) Griese, the younger done nothing Griese, has looked good in this system.

Elway, Montana, Young, & I'll go out on a limb, and say Cutler has looked out freak'n standing in this system.

Take it how you want.
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David Carr has looked good in this system. Sage Rosenfels has looked good in this system. Rex freak'n Grossman has looked good in this system.


Jake the Snake has looked good in the system. Bob(??) Griese, the younger done nothing Griese, has looked good in this system.

Elway, Montana, Young, & I'll go out on a limb, and say Cutler has looked out freak'n standing in this system.

Take it how you want.
So...what you're saying is you don't think Plummer, Griese, Elway, Montana, Young, or Cutler are in the "good/great" QB catagory.
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... this is one of the prime match-ups that we are very excited/nervous about as jets fans ...

... i did not make a selection in the poll as i am very torn over what will happen here ...

... revis is the jets most talented and consistent player bar none ... jenkins is more important to us ... scott the rabid pitbull on the field implementing rex's grand scheme ... and leon washington more of a homerun threat ... but revis is THE MAN ...

... as far as i can tell AJ is the same for you guys ... please correct me if i'm wrong here ...

... unfortunately our #2 cb spot has been the polar opposite since revis was drafted ... with sheppard this preseason committing pass interference against everyone including the girl scouts coming to his door selling cookies ... and dwight lowery last season and this not having the 5th gear needed to keep up with top receivers when isolated without safety help ... there is not any reason for teams to test revis ...


... i picture a realistic statline for AJ is 6 catches 80 yards ... if that does not include a TD i will be very happy with revis's performance ...





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... i picture a realistic statline for AJ is 6 catches 80 yards ... if that does not include a TD i will be very happy with revis's performance ...





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I think this brings up a question about the defense you guys play over there. Do your corners play a side or do your corners play a man? Is Revis going to be singled up on AJ most of the day or can we scheme away from Revis?

In the Raider game last year, a lot of people said that Asomugha shut AJ down but it was really the play-calling more than anything else that shut him down. He was used mostly as a decoy that day and it didn't work. The Raiders played sides for the most part, iirc, and so sometimes Asomugha was on AJ and sometimes not.

A thing about this offense is that all the receivers are pretty good and have their function and the QB's usually spread the ball around pretty good.
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So...what you're saying is you don't think Plummer, Griese, Elway, Montana, Young, or Cutler are in the "good/great" QB catagory.
Elway, Montana, Young & Cutler looked outstanding in the QB friendly system because they are/were great QBs.

Plummer was/is very talented, but not really a good QB.

Griese...... was also very talented, and really a pretty good QB.

Matt Schuab so far to date, looks to benefit from our QB friendly system, more than we've benefitted from Matt Schaub.
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I think this brings up a question about the defense you guys play over there. Do your corners play a side or do your corners play a man? Is Revis going to be singled up on AJ most of the day or can we scheme away from Revis?
... that's a good ? ... with this being rex's 1st regular season game we are still learning what he really is going to do scheme wise ...

... my expectation is we will see revis matched up on AJ the majority of the game ... most of those i believe he will be on an island without safety help ... the major reason for that being our need for help at the #2 cb ... also one of you guys expressed how talented kerry rhodes is and this is true ... he should have a monster year for us ... for arguments sake let's say ed reed lite ... expect him to be brought in on blitzes and centerfielding with leonhard used more in run support ...

... again - we as ny jets fans are learning what rex will do as we went with only the vanilla preseason d .. and also his ravens scheme's to go on ... (personally i believe he kept fabian washington on the left side in balt ... but i'm not 100% on that) ...


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In the Raider game last year, a lot of people said that Asomugha shut AJ down but it was really the play-calling more than anything else that shut him down. He was used mostly as a decoy that day and it didn't work. The Raiders played sides for the most part, iirc, and so sometimes Asomugha was on AJ and sometimes not.

A thing about this offense is that all the receivers are pretty good and have their function and the QB's usually spread the ball around pretty good.

... while i don't expect your coaching staff to use AJ as a decoy against us ... there is more of a risk going up against revis while sheppard and lowery should be much easier for walter, davis, daniels, anderson and crew to attack ...

... if AJ is lined up on the other side of the field from revis other than a trick play we are in DEEP $h*t !!!!!!!!!!! ...



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... this is one of the prime match-ups that we are very excited/nervous about as jets fans ...

... i did not make a selection in the poll as i am very torn over what will happen here ...

... revis is the jets most talented and consistent player bar none ... jenkins is more important to us ... scott the rabid pitbull on the field implementing rex's grand scheme ... and leon washington more of a homerun threat ... but revis is THE MAN ...

... as far as i can tell AJ is the same for you guys ... please correct me if i'm wrong here ...

... unfortunately our #2 cb spot has been the polar opposite since revis was drafted ... with sheppard this preseason committing pass interference against everyone including the girl scouts coming to his door selling cookies ... and dwight lowery last season and this not having the 5th gear needed to keep up with top receivers when isolated without safety help ... there is not any reason for teams to test revis ...


... i picture a realistic statline for AJ is 6 catches 80 yards ... if that does not include a TD i will be very happy with revis's performance ...





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AJ is THE MAN for us, no doubt. But Kevin Walter (who is day to day right now) is the workhorse -- the guy that steps up on the third and 6 and hauls it down in traffic. Daniels can fill that role as well. I also think that minus Walter you could see David Anderson step up in a big way. AD is the homerun threat, with Jacoby Jones being groomed for the part in future years.

The Texans actually spread the ball around quite a bit, with Steve Slaton also getting a large number of short passes intended to isolate him in single coverage. You'll even see them toss it to Vonte Leach a couple of times a game. Don't expect them to force it to AJ unless the Jets pull Revis off of him.
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AJ is THE MAN for us, no doubt. ... Don't expect them to force it to AJ unless the Jets pull Revis off of him.
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I think we should be asking ourselves, can our run D stop Jones and Washington? At least, that is my primary concern.
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I think we should be asking ourselves, can our run D stop Jones and Washington? At least, that is my primary concern.
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And that is mine.
Their running attack scares me, especially with how weak our run D has looked in the preseason.

Does it make me less of a Texan fan that I'm definitely starting Thomas Jones on my fantasy team?
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Their running attack scares me, especially with how weak our run D has looked in the preseason.

Does it make me less of a Texan fan that I'm definitely starting Thomas Jones on my fantasy team?
May your fantasy team lose this week.
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David Carr has looked good in this system. Sage Rosenfels has looked good in this system. Rex freak'n Grossman has looked good in this system.


Jake the Snake has looked good in the system. Bob(??) Griese, the younger done nothing Griese, has looked good in this system.

Elway, Montana, Young, & I'll go out on a limb, and say Cutler has looked out freak'n standing in this system.

Take it how you want.

That is not correct. David Carr did not look good in this system. That's why he spent one year in it and was sent packing despite that multimillion dollar bonus payment he'd just received.

As for the rest of it I can find no fault. David Carr was one example that just didn't float.
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Their running attack scares me, especially with how weak our run D has looked in the preseason.

Does it make me less of a Texan fan that I'm definitely starting Thomas Jones on my fantasy team?
So am I. Historically, it'd be dumb if we didn't start him, right?
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