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Old 08-27-2009   #1
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Every year there is more and more talk about reducing the # of preseason games and adding to the regular season. Although, I undertand the economics of doing so, personally I think it would be a mistake. I think it would cheapen the product on the field for the first few games of the season. Just look at the Texans! Were they ready to start the season last year against the Steelers? Uh that would be a NO! Based on what we've seen so far this preseason, do the Texans have all their pieces in place and are operating like a fine-tuned machine? Uh that would be a NO! Do we expect them to by the Jets game? I'm sure some do, but I'm skeptical. I believe they will still be trying to find themselves defensively and will need EVERY snap this preseason to get even reasonably close to finding themselves. Actually, I believe the Texans could use another preseason game. It's obvious they also don't have every piece jelling in the offense, too. Especially in the line and at RB. I don't necessarily agree with this concept of playing the starters very little in preseason because of injury risk. Unless you are the Patriots or the Colts, teams need snap time playing together to jell and by holding the starters out most of preseason, they won't be jellin' by the first game. Your thoughts?
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I think that the NFL could make training camp prior to preseason games about 3 weeks longer, subtract 1 preseason game, and add 1 regular season game. This would allow coaches longer to evaluate talent, players would be happy with fewer preseason games to lessen the risk of injury, and fans would be happy with another regular season game. I'd also like to see the NFL expand the roster size to about 56-57 players allowing for more rotation of players thus lessening injuries and allowing clubs to hold onto some more valuable backups and the extra regular season game would offset the additional players salaries.
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I think that the NFL could make training camp prior to preseason games about 3 weeks longer, subtract 1 preseason game, and add 1 regular season game. This would allow coaches longer to evaluate talent, players would be happy with fewer preseason games to lessen the risk of injury, and fans would be happy with another regular season game. I'd also like to see the NFL expand the roster size to about 56-57 players allowing for more rotation of players thus lessening injuries and allowing clubs to hold onto some more valuable backups and the extra regular season game would offset the additional players salaries.
Agreed

But this year I'm glad the preseason is as long as it is. It gives Reeves,Myers and Cushing a chance to get healthy for the regular season.

Ultimately I wold like to see 2 preseason games and 18 regular season games.

They would have to expand the rosters but an 18 game reglar season is do able.
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Agreed

But this year I'm glad the preseason is as long as it is. It gives Reeves,Myers and Cushing a chance to get healthy for the regular season.

Ultimately I wold like to see 2 preseason games and 18 regular season games.

They would have to expand the rosters but an 18 game reglar season is do able.

Playing NFL commisioner for a day my ultimate scenario would be to have 19 regular season games, I like an odd number of games you either have a winning or losing season period. I'd only have 3 preseason games. I'd expand rosters to 60 players, for more rotation of players due to the expanded season and lessening player injury. I'd also add another bye week for each team and start training camp 3 weeks earlier prior to preseason games. All of this would make the season 4 weeks longer, thrilling fans, expanding rosters and adding another bye week would cut down on player fatigue and injury making them happier, the longer preseason prior to preseason games would allow coaches more time to get players ready and evaluate talent, and owners would like it due to much greater revenue income to pay for those extra players. Everyone would be happy.
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Playing NFL commisioner for a day my ultimate scenario would be to have 19 regular season games, I like an odd number of games you either have a winning or losing season period. I'd only have 3 preseason games. I'd expand rosters to 60 players, for more rotation of players due to the expanded season and lessening player injury. I'd also add another bye week for each team and start training camp 3 weeks earlier prior to preseason games. All of this would make the season 4 weeks longer, thrilling fans, expanding rosters and adding another bye week would cut down on player fatigue and injury making them happier, the longer preseason prior to preseason games would allow coaches more time to get players ready and evaluate talent, and owners would like it due to much greater revenue income to pay for those extra players. Everyone would be happy.
Sounds like a great plan to me and we get an extra month of football.
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I think that the NFL could make training camp prior to preseason games about 3 weeks longer, subtract 1 preseason game, and add 1 regular season game. This would allow coaches longer to evaluate talent, players would be happy with fewer preseason games to lessen the risk of injury, and fans would be happy with another regular season game. I'd also like to see the NFL expand the roster size to about 56-57 players allowing for more rotation of players thus lessening injuries and allowing clubs to hold onto some more valuable backups and the extra regular season game would offset the additional players salaries.
The problem with having an odd number of games means all teams won't have an even number of home and away games. There's the possibility of having neutral field games for each team but I'd rather tack on 2 extra real games and have only 2 preseason games.
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I don't want to add games. It demeans the record books.
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It's been over 30 years. I don't think it's too soon or too late. I love how slow the league is to change. I think the time is just right.
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2 preseason games would be just about right IMO.
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I agree. Maybe they could do more scrimmages to get some of those guys at the bottom of the roster more opportunities.
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I've lost track of my post where I said this earlier, but what I said was shorten the preseason to three games, and add one to the regular season with two bye weeks.
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Less preseason, more season... the more the merrier (and larger rosters).

(Didn't we have this discussion last year also? )
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I do think preseason is probably a game or 2 too long. However, we are a team that has desperately needed the longer preseason. Injuries and poor play that would've rolled into the regular season.....I'll pass.

I wouldn't mind if it were cut down to 3 and possibly added like a rivalry game to the regular season.
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No... it's the Offseason that is too long! I'll take an 8 game preseason if it means training camp can start in June and the crappy preseason games start in July.
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I don't want to add games. It demeans the record books.
It's too late for that, besides football is less about stats than baseball is. When I was a kid we had less games than played now, and the rules on the field have changed so much that a 58% passer rating isn't "good" anymore. Football is an evolutionary creature, baseball is a static measurement. Also, in football you don't have to tell 'em that 'there is no crying in football'. It's assumed.

As to the thread topic, is the preseason too long? in a word....yes.
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As to the thread topic, is the preseason too long? in a word....yes.
I think the length season, and the preseason, are just fine. The starters need the preseason to get their timing down. Granted, the starters generally sit out the entire 4th preseason game. But, that is an important time to develop the backups and make roster decisions.

Regarding the regular season, the rosters were only 40 deep back when the NFL played a 14 game schedule. Over the years, the league has understood that the rosters needed to be increased for the longer 16 game schedule. I believe they would find the same necessity if the regular season were to be extended, now.

The question I have is, are there enough NFL quality football players available to meet the increased demand? With 32 teams, the talent level is already thin. I doubt there are 32 quality QBs in the league, right now. If the schedule were extended by 2 additional games (games that the starters would play throughout), I fear the championship would be determined more by attrition and serendipity than ability. From the opening week to the Super Bowl, the NFL season is now 22 weeks long (as opposed to 18 weeks back in 1977). Right now, I think it's just right.
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With the way players are staying in shape year round, with all the mini-camps, OTA's and what have you throughout the off-season, I think a month of training camp and pre-season games is way too much.

Players can be ready to go in a couple of weeks. Drop 2 pre-season games and go with an 18 game schedule with a couple of bye weeks. Expand the rosters if you want as well.

And I'm not want that wants to see a lot of change in the NFL. But the pre-season is ridiculously, and I think, unnecessarily long.
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With the way players are staying in shape year round, with all the mini-camps, OTA's and what have you throughout the off-season, I think a month of training camp and pre-season games is way too much.

Players can be ready to go in a couple of weeks. Drop 2 pre-season games and go with an 18 game schedule with a couple of bye weeks. Expand the rosters if you want as well.

And I'm not want that wants to see a lot of change in the NFL. But the pre-season is ridiculously, and I think, unnecessarily long.
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I think the length season, and the preseason, are just fine. The starters need the preseason to get their timing down. Granted, the starters generally sit out the entire 4th preseason game. But, that is an important time to develop the backups and make roster decisions.

Regarding the regular season, the rosters were only 40 deep back when the NFL played a 14 game schedule. Over the years, the league has understood that the rosters needed to be increased for the longer 16 game schedule. I believe they would find the same necessity if the regular season were to be extended, now.

The question I have is, are there enough NFL quality football players available to meet the increased demand? With 32 teams, the talent level is already thin. I doubt there are 32 quality QBs in the league, right now. If the schedule were extended by 2 additional games (games that the starters would play throughout), I fear the championship would be determined more by attrition and serendipity than ability. From the opening week to the Super Bowl, the NFL season is now 22 weeks long (as opposed to 18 weeks back in 1977). Right now, I think it's just right.
College teams don't have a preseason. They have a few scrimmages and when they play out of conference, but the records count for the overall team record. You can argue that they don't count for their conferences but the games count and they do mean something. If you don't want to attrit the league don't let them play a month of practice games where inevitably, every year, each team loses someone important. A few scrimmages, a couple of preseason games, and let the games begin. This isn't the same league from years gone by when you had all your guys coming back from a 3 month vacation of beer drinking for a long camp to get in shape, and 6 - count 'em, six preseason games. Guys stay in shape year around and most of the offense is already installed in camp instead of working on getting guys into shape.
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