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Old 02-08-2005   #1
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Scott Wright has us picking Alex Barron in the first and Elton Brown in the second...I think that may cure our o-line woes...Chances are it won't happen though...

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I would love for this to happen. If you QB is the team, ala McNair, Vick, McNabb, you need to protect him. And this would be an excellent upgrade.
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I wouldn't be totally dissappointed with the picks, but didn't people on here think we need a C more than a G?? Oh, and they don't have us drafting on the defensive line in none of the first two rounds If we are gonna draft offense in the first two rounds, I would at least take a TE in round two We still don't have any consistency at that position and I know Carr definitely could use a TE to throw too
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looking at next year where do the Texans pick? I'm thinking somewhere between picks #17 & #23 if the Texans have improved their offensive line woes. here is a list of the DT's who should be availalbe in next years class, too bad we'll have to wait until next year but when assessing our current needs it is useful to forecast future draft class assests.

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Rodrique Wright, 6-5, 320, Texas
Gabe Watson, 6-4, 335, Michigan
LeKevin Smith, 6-2, 310, Nebraska
Orien Harris, 6-4, 300, Miami
Anthony Montgomery, 6-5, 315, Minnesota
Gerald Anderson, 6-2, 315, Georgia
Kwakou Robinson, 6-4, 325, Virginia
*Haloti, Ngata, 6-5, 345, Oregon
Jesse Mahelona, 6-2, 300, Tennessee
Johnny Jolly, 6-3, 295, Texas A&M
Barry Cofield, 6-4, 305, Northwestern
Kyle Williams, 6-2, 290, LSU
Mark Losli, 6-5, 285, Minnesota
Claude Wroton, 6-3, 315, LSU
Montavious Stanley, 6-2, 305, Louisville
Zarnell Fitch, 6-3, 305, Texas Christian
Ernest Hunter, 6-4, 280, West Virginia (DE/XL)
Nick Leaders, 6-2, 290, Iowa State
Kedric Golston, 6-3, 300, Georgia (S)
Jonathan Lewis, 6-1, 300, Virginia Tech
Steve Fifita, 5-11, 310, Utah
Babatunde Oshinowo, 6-2, 320, Stanford
Dwayne Herndon, 6-4, 290, North Carolina State
Henry Anderson, 6-2, 305, Oregon State
C.J. Niusulu, 6-2, 285, UCLA
Daniel Marquardt, 6-2, 315, BYU
Jeff Littljohn, 6-2, 315, Middle Tennessee State
Sam Williamson, 6-5, 295, Alabama-Birmingham
Tony Thompson, 6-1, 295, Central Michigan
Freddy Saint-Preux, 6-5, 295, South Carolina
Ernest Respress, 6-5, 300, Alabama-Birmingham
Rob Schroeder, 6-3, 280, Buffalo
Vince Fuela, BYU
Chase Page, 6-5, 290, North Carolina (XH)
Steve Williams, 6-3, 300, Northwest Missouri State
Fred Evans, 6-5, 300, Texas State
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I wouldn't be totally dissappointed with the picks, but didn't people on here think we need a C more than a G?? Oh, and they don't have us drafting on the defensive line in none of the first two rounds If we are gonna draft offense in the first two rounds, I would at least take a TE in round two We still don't have any consistency at that position and I know Carr definitely could use a TE to throw too
McKinney takes a lot of heat in the boards. However, it's difficult to isolate the interior line. Pitts, Weigert, McKinney all struggled to hold the pocket last year. As far as straight whiffs go, Pitts and Weigert both had quite a few in pass protection. However, both of them can be dominate run blockers-Weigert more consistantly than Pitts.

I think drafting a LT is a big mistake. Wand and Wade are not liabilities and they're both young and relatively healthy. Furthermore, neither would be a good fit at G. With other needs, drafting a LT seems ill-advised to me. I'd rather spend the first pick on defense or possibly TE and then draft interior line help in the second and/or third rounds.
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Wand and Wade are not liabilities and they're both young and relatively healthy. Furthermore, neither would be a good fit at G.
Maybe this is too much of a generalization, but assuming a player is good
enough to play tackle, I'd think he'd be effective as a guard ? Isn't it moving
from guard to tackle where the problems occur ?
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Maybe this is too much of a generalization, but assuming a player is good enough to play tackle, I'd think he'd be effective as a guard ? Isn't it moving from guard to tackle where the problems occur ?
Ask Chester Pitts...
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Maybe this is too much of a generalization, but assuming a player is good enough to play tackle, I'd think he'd be effective as a guard ? Isn't it moving from guard to tackle where the problems occur ?
I'm not sure if that's where problems occur but I do remember reading an article in Sportingnews (half a year ago) where it talked about guards and how the best guards are now tackles moved inside...
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from my understanding the one thing you dont want from a guard, is someone extremely tall where the QB can't get the ball out, so a 6'7 guard isn't the best thing, so unless the tackle you move inside is really tall, the skills are very similar.
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first i think that if Barron was drafted in the first round i think he could beat out seth wand for the starting LT position by mid-season...second if we do draft barron first i don't see us drafting another o-lineman til the second day so here's my scenerio

1st. alex barron LT
2nd. mike patterson DE
3rd. kirk morrison ILB
3rd. ronald bartell CB

barron would take over the LT position and be an upgrade over wand

move smith or walker to NT and replace them with patterson at DE

morrison could provide much needed depth at ILB

bartell is one of the most underrated prospects in this draft could be better than faggins with some coaching
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If the draft did go that way then I would e dissapointed that we couldnt snag a defensive player in one of the 1st 2 rounds but can you imagine how good our offense would be in the very near future.



Barron Brown McKinney Wiegert Wade

Oh and just think of the depth we would have at gaurd and tackle, then we still could get Jason Brown or Vince Carter to play C with our last 4th round pick.
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After a 5 week hiatus, they finally updated their mock...They have us taking

1. Alex Barron (with DJ going at 12)
2. Ernest Shazor SS Micigan
3A Ronald Fields NT Mississippi St
3B Lance Mitchell ILB Oklahoma

How would yall feel if day one were to unfold this way?

Also, I tried to edit the date on the thread title, but I couldn't edit the original post...If one of the mods would help with that, it would be much appreciated...
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depressed

I would be saying "OMG we took Barron in the first in one of the decades strongest Olineman drafts" then "OMG we passed on Elton Brown, Luis Castillo, and Chris Canty in the second round"

then

"OMG what the heck are we doing in the third! who is Ronald Fields! and why are we taking Lance Mitchel when we could get Boomer Grigsby in the 4th"


then id just start repeating "trust in charlie, trust in charlie, trust in charlie" until I could breath again.
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I would be pretty disapointed.

I would go with something like this. I know it looks offense heavy, but I went with value, with a little need mixed in.

1. Alex Barron, OT, Florida St.
2. Elton Brown, OG, Virginia
3. Ciatrick Fason, RB, Florida
3. Corey Webster, CB, L.S.U.

And on my Barron pick; my thinking is that you cant get a Pace, or any other good/great LT unless you draft one. Or want to give 2 first round picks for one...
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all these Mocks are only so useful, there will be lots of trading positions because teams will be more inclined because of fair value & team needs.

therefore the Texans do have a relistic chance to trade down or trade up as all other teams do. basing this & using Countdown's Mock here are a couple possible trades and its affect on who the Texans aquire via the draft.

Texans trade with Rams (the Rams owe us & they want Carlos Rogers who is still on the board @ #13 but gone by the time they pick) in exchange for their 1st pick #19 and the extra early 3rd pick #66.

with the 19th pick the Houston Texans select David Pollack

The Texans are not finsihed trading however, they work a deal with Philly for their early 2nd rd pick #35 for the Texans 2nd rd pick #47 plus extra 3rd rd pick aquired from the Rams #66.

with the 35th pick the Houston Texans select David Baas

The Texans still have two 3rd round picks left & select-

#73 Fabien Washington, CB Nebraska

#78 Vincent Jackson, WR Nothern Colorado

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I like your idea of trading down, and the trades work well IMO...

Pollack would be a solid pick, even though I want Peek on the field as much as possible...I think Pollack's best fit in the NFL will be as an OLB in a 3-4...

I would LOVE to add Baas...If we could only pick one player in the draft, I believe Baas would be that guy, even over DJ, Benson, anybody you can name...

Washington ran a 4.25 40 at the combine, which sent his stock into late-1st early-2nd territory...If he's there at 73, he'd clearly be the BPA, but I doubt he lasts that long...

I see Jackson as a developmental WR prospect who would thrive in red-zone situations, but may not be much of a threat between the 20s until he polishes his route-running so he could get separation due to his lack of speed...
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The countdown has us taking Lance Mitchell, ILB with pick #78 in the 3rd round. He is coming back from a torn ACL year before last and could be a steal since he was once projected as a 1st rounder in 04.

What do yall think of him? He seems a little like a poor man's DJ Johnson. Maybe his speed will increase once he heals more?

Lance Mitchell

College: Oklahoma Height: 6'-2"
Position: Inside Linebacker Weight: 247
Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.81

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Strengths: Good athletic ability...Great size...Very strong...Great tackler who likes to hit...A force against the run...Makes plays from sideline-to-sideline...Extremely productive.

Weaknesses: Coming back from a torn ACL and long-term health and durability might be a question mark...Can be too aggressive at times...Only average speed...Was production aided by such a strong supporting cast?

Notes: Transferred to Oklahoma from the City College of San Francisco and made an impact right away...Was on his way to a spot in Round One of the '04 Draft before a serious knee injury...Didn't look to be all the way back as a senior and saw his stock drop.
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D-Rek, just to let you know Wright has us picking Shazor in the second round...looks like the Vikings grab Brown...I would still like to see what Earl has this year before grabbing a SS early in the draft. Is anyone else worried about Brown possibly being a little kookoo?
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I agree with letting Earl have the SS spot for now. I rather draft a CB than a safety. Even though we did lose McCree and Brown so some depth at safety would be nice.
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I would be happy with Lance Mitchell at 78 because after next season, our depth at ILB will be average at best...I would even agree with Boomer Grigsby here...I'll leave it up to Cass, but I like the idea of ILB with one of our 3rds.

As far as Shazor goes, he's going to be a good SS, but at 47, I think Elton Brown is the BPA, and he would certainly fill a need...He could come in and compete with Weigert and he goes down, Brown could step in and be a good starter for his first year or two...
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