Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-24-2009   #1
barrett
Hall of Fame
 
barrett's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Austin
Section: 636
Posts: 2,636
Rep Power: 1155 barrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respected
Default It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Z once again has nailed it. Exactly what I saw as well. The two specific players that he really leaves out as looking consistently bad were Bennett and Studdard. I still maintain that Studdard does seem to have an attitude that will help to make him a better player but from a capability standpoint I just don't see it. Neither does Lance from what I can tell:
Quote:
There were too many times with both the first and second units that running plays were blown up because of extreme penetration over either the center or guard.
http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/texansnfl/
__________________
Come check out our blog @ http://www.texansbullblog.com/ News, Analysis and Commentary!
barrett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #2
Hagar
Drink up yall, its the Texans!
 
Hagar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 47
Posts: 2,066
Rep Power: 8880 Hagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Quote:
I'll say it right now. I just don't think Amobi Okoye has the talent to be an effective full-time DT for a playoff-caliber defense. Okoye and Okam got MANHANDLED by Jhari Evans and Carl Nicks all night long, and I'm getting the feeling that maybe the Texans would be better off having Okoye just play on pass rushing downs rather than first and second downs. I don't want to hear the age excuse either. Show me something, Amobi. Flash on tape. Do something. It is becoming a regular occurrence that he gets run out of plays and if he doesn't get strong enough to hold his ground, I don't know what the Texans are going to do with him.
Amen! 'Bout time someone else said it.

Last edited by Hagar; 08-24-2009 at 09:56 AM.
Hagar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #3
barrett
Hall of Fame
 
barrett's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Austin
Section: 636
Posts: 2,636
Rep Power: 1155 barrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Oddly, I have had concerns in the past but after Saturday (and apparently, this happened for Lance too) It really began to set in. Okoye isn't capable of playing that way. He's not good enough.
__________________
Come check out our blog @ http://www.texansbullblog.com/ News, Analysis and Commentary!
barrett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #4
texasguy346
Mod Squad
 
texasguy346's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Deer Park, TX
Age: 31
Posts: 7,089
Rep Power: 3791 texasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexasguy346 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to texasguy346
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Quote:
- I thought it last year and I still feel the same way DelJuan Robinson does a better job than any DT on the roster of fighting off his blocker and holding his ground in the running game. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't have a starting spot locked up when the season opens
I was a bit surprised to see Okam starting in place of Robinson to begin the game. I'm not sure what Robinson did but he didn't see much action until very late in the game. I understand the coaches wanted to see what Okam could do as a starter after his play in KC, but he didn't do much of anything at all against the Saints. He looked like he was overmatched, and he didn't seem to give much effort or determination. I agree with LZ about Okoye, and I think the coaches would likely get more production out of him if he were used in passing situations with Smith moved inside next to him. I also agree with his assessment of the linebackers play. One thing is for sure if we don't get things fixed on the defensive side of the ball by next week the only action Farve is going to see is handing off to Peterson for a big gain up the middle.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwallaia View Post
God wants spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.
texasguy346 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #5
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,512
Rep Power: 109004 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Okoye got pushed around in the running game last year...this is no new news. I think everyone was hoping that his body would mature and something would change. I think the only thing that has changed is the fact that people are no longer interested in what he will be tomorrow because he can't handle NFL Guards today. He is pretty good when the play runs away from him because of his footspeed, but if you run right at him, he has to be the worst starting DT in the league. Easily.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #6
barrett
Hall of Fame
 
barrett's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Austin
Section: 636
Posts: 2,636
Rep Power: 1155 barrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respectedbarrett is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

I think it is news because he was injured last year. There was reason to believe with "another year in the system..." and "once he's healthy.." But he's supposedly healthy. Unless you ask him of course. So who knows. But you're right, all we have to go on is the film and it's looking like nothing has changed.
__________________
Come check out our blog @ http://www.texansbullblog.com/ News, Analysis and Commentary!
barrett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #7
dtran04
Hall of Fame
 
dtran04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 28
Posts: 1,567
Rep Power: 2409 dtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respecteddtran04 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

I'm curious as to how practicing against a finesse running game all the time leads to players not being used to smashmouth football. Playing DT against a light, zone blocking team all at practice can't really prepare you for the real thing.
dtran04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 08-24-2009   #8
Marcus
Hall of Fame
 
Marcus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stafford, Texas
Age: 60
Posts: 7,335
Rep Power: 57147 Marcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny View Post
He is pretty good when the play runs away from him because of his footspeed, but if you run right at him, he has to be the worst starting DT in the league. Easily.
So, how could a change in "scheme" fix this?
Marcus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #9
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Houston, TX
Age: 46
Posts: 43,680
Rep Power: 224612 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to infantrycak
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dtran04 View Post
Playing DT against a light, zone blocking team all at practice can't really prepare you for the real thing.
While Denver had lighter than average O-lines, the Texans are not light. The only starter last year under 300 lbs was Myers (by one lb) and the guy they drafted as a potential replacement is another 14 lbs heavier.
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #10
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,512
Rep Power: 109004 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
So, how could a change in "scheme" fix this?
schemes don't fix bad players, but we all know that right? Schemes can help players that aren't well rounded by only letting them play in situations that they can excel in, but you have to make them situational players.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2009   #11
Speedy
Yeller Dweller
 
Speedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Livable Forest
Section: 547 - Row A - Dark Side
Posts: 3,090
Rep Power: 31376 Speedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: It's pretty much all summed up right here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by texasguy346 View Post
I was a bit surprised to see Okam starting in place of Robinson to begin the game. I'm not sure what Robinson did but he didn't see much action until very late in the game. I understand the coaches wanted to see what Okam could do as a starter after his play in KC, but he didn't do much of anything at all against the Saints. He looked like he was overmatched, and he didn't seem to give much effort or determination. I agree with LZ about Okoye, and I think the coaches would likely get more production out of him if he were used in passing situations with Smith moved inside next to him. I also agree with his assessment of the linebackers play. One thing is for sure if we don't get things fixed on the defensive side of the ball by next week the only action Farve is going to see is handing off to Peterson for a big gain up the middle.
Robinson probably didn't start because wasn't he the one that got the stinger last week? Plus Okam had a good game last week and maybe they just wanted to get a look at him on the 1st team. You never know in pre-season. That's why I don't get too worried about pre-season team stats, i.e. what the run defense did or I should say, didn't do Saturday night.
__________________

thatsbulltailgaters.net
Speedy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger