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Old 08-20-2009   #61
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Geez, those "Take it Away" shorts are so weird looking.
They must be Mario sized. LOL
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Ummm no, I'm well aware of how the "name game" goes. You see, we had this team called the New Orleans Jazz, then our ruthless owner took them to Salt Lake City, along with the colors and uni, and now you have the Utah Jazz...

There was talk that our present NBA team owner could purchase back the old name and colors, but it fell through. Thus the question about the Oilers. You off your high donkey now?

Also, what are Slaton's punt return and receiving numbers? We all knew Bush would not be an every down running back, and has been used in many different ways. Kinda false to only talk about his rushing numbers...don't ya think?
Ugh. I concede the receiving yards. Reggie is a good pass catching threat and can be used in a myriad of ways, recieving the ball. But punt return numbers? Really? These "all-purpose yards" nonsense needs to end. You can't just add punt and kickoff return yardage to a guy's yardage. ESPN used it nonstop to justify their manlove of Reggie his first couple seasons. Yeah, I'm sure he's a great punt returner. But every team these days have a great punt returner. Jacoby Jones returned 2 last year, Reggie had 3. AMAZING, THEY'RE BOTH ALLSTARS NOW!
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Thomas has injury problems? When and where? Guy averaged 5 yards a pop last season so don't be surprised if he has a good game tomorrow. This will be his first chance at a 16 game season since Deuce left. He was hardly ever used and buried on the depth chart before last season for injury to hamper him. Can't get injured on the sidelines. Where do you get this stuff?

Also, I'm speaking for Saints fans since we are the ones who have seen Bush perform in EVERY game. Not ESPN snippets. We know his value both with AND without the ball, so no, I'd say the vast majority would NOT trade him for Mario. Especially since I already mentioned that the Saints are very deep at DE.

How you can speak for other NFL fans of other cities, I do not know.
I like Thomas. I think he can be a very good RB in the NFL. Didn't he have some nagging injury problems in '07 and '08 that kept him limited? I might be mistaken on that, but for some reason it rings a bell with me. That will take some of the sting out of losing The Deuce. I travel all over the country and get to enjoy the NFL in other teams hometowns quite regularly. I talk a LOT of football with those fans. My one job in the New Orleans area was right after Katrina, so most sAints fans were elsewhere.
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Ugh. I concede the receiving yards. Reggie is a good pass catching threat and can be used in a myriad of ways, recieving the ball. But punt return numbers? Really? These "all-purpose yards" nonsense needs to end. You can't just add punt and kickoff return yardage to a guy's yardage. ESPN used it nonstop to justify their manlove of Reggie his first couple seasons. Yeah, I'm sure he's a great punt returner. But every team these days have a great punt returner. Jacoby Jones returned 2 last year, Reggie had 3. AMAZING, THEY'RE BOTH ALLSTARS NOW!
But Reggie had 3 in only 10 games played last year. Two in one game that single handedly kept the Saints in the game against the Vikings on Monday night (wierd game by the way). THAT is why ALL yardage is counted because it all...counts. The key is that he scores doing all those things. A pure threat EVERY time he touches the ball.

When healthy, the guy is a threat in too many different ways and has burned opposing teams doing all three. The key for him is staying healthy. When he's healthy, watch out!
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Reggie's best season 2006 16 games 565 yards rushing 743 yards receiving for a total of 1308 yards

Slaton rookie season 16 games 1282 rushing and 377 receiving for a total of 1659


for career Bush has 20 tds (3 seasons add 4 more td's when adding PR stats ) to Slatons 10 Tds (1 season)


throw in his CAREER punt return yardage (3 seasons) you get to add 498 yards)(2006 he had 216 yards )


so if you want to compare total yards of best seasons bush has 1524 (total yards of rushing/receiving/pr ) to Slaton's 1659(rushing/receiving)




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Reggie's best season 2006 16 games 565 yards rushing 743 yards receiving for a total of 1308 yards

Slaton rookie season 16 games 1282 rushing and 377 receiving for a total of 1659


for career Bush has 20 tds (3 seasons add 4 more td's when adding PR stats ) to Slatons 10 Tds (1 season)


throw in his CAREER punt return yardage (3 seasons) you get to add 498 yards)(2006 he had 216 yards )


so if you want to compare total yards of best seasons bush has 1524 (total yards of rushing/receiving/pr ) to Slaton's 1659




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I like Thomas. I think he can be a very good RB in the NFL. Didn't he have some nagging injury problems in '07 and '08 that kept him limited? I might be mistaken on that, but for some reason it rings a bell with me. That will take some of the sting out of losing The Deuce. I travel all over the country and get to enjoy the NFL in other teams hometowns quite regularly. I talk a LOT of football with those fans. My one job in the New Orleans area was right after Katrina, so most sAints fans were elsewhere.
Maybe you're thinking about Deuce? Thomas only missed one game last year, the season finale.

He's added a few pounds, always moves the pile, is cat quick, and can catch out of the backfield. Looking forward to a full season of #23 and #25 this season. The guy has done nothing but produce when he touches the ball. Now that Deuce is gone, it's his turn to shine.

Oh, and I wouldn't trust the Chronicle of you want objective information on your next opponent. They don't seem to fill you in on very much.

Been fun Texans. I'll be back to congratulate, or talk a lil smack after the game.

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for the record I am not knocking on reggie.. it isn't his fault that he was hyped so bad by ESPiN ... but it got really ridiculous on the garbage that was was thrown around ... an Eric metcalf type on PR that can run and catch a bit.

I wish Reggie the best and hope he can stay healthy
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Reggie's best season 2006 16 games 565 yards rushing 743 yards receiving for a total of 1308 yards

Slaton rookie season 16 games 1282 rushing and 377 receiving for a total of 1659


for career Bush has 20 tds (3 seasons add 4 more td's when adding PR stats ) to Slatons 10 Tds (1 season)


throw in his CAREER punt return yardage (3 seasons) you get to add 498 yards)(2006 he had 216 yards )


so if you want to compare total yards of best seasons bush has 1524 (total yards of rushing/receiving/pr ) to Slaton's 1659(rushing/receiving)




all stats per NFL.com
Which translates into 318 touches at 5.2 yards per for Slaton in 2008.

Bush's 271 touches at 5.6 yards per in 2006.

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Ummm no, I'm well aware of how the "name game" goes. You see, we had this team called the New Orleans Jazz, then our ruthless owner took them to Salt Lake City, along with the colors and uni, and now you have the Utah Jazz...

There was talk that our present NBA team owner could purchase back the old name and colors, but it fell through. Thus the question about the Oilers. You off your high donkey now?

Also, what are Slaton's punt return and receiving numbers? We all knew Bush would not be an every down running back, and has been used in many different ways. Kinda false to only talk about his rushing numbers...don't ya think?
Okay, receiving....
Bush -- 52 catches for 440 yds and 4 TDs
Slaton - 50 catches for 337 yds and 1 TD
advantage Bush. But not by much.

Add in Slaton's rushing yards (both guys were signed to be RBs after all) and Slaton has the edge. We have other guys who can return punts. For a lot cheaper than the 4-5 mil/yr you're paying Bush.


For the record, I was kind of a fan of the New Orleans Jazz - mainly because of this guy


I think you got screwed when they moved the Jazz to Utah. Whoever heard of any jazz coming out of Utah. They should have changed the name.

Anyway, enough of this banter. Good luck to you this season - since we don't play you guys - and may we see you in the playoffs; because it means both teams made it to the Super Bowl.
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Which translates into 318 touches at 5.2 yards per for Slaton in 2008.

Bush's 271 touches at 5.6 yards per in 2006.

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wow impressive .. Saints are probably pleased with the production on the 6 year 51 million dollar contract..i wonder how much he gets paid per touch and I wonder if the 26 million in guaranteed money goes toward the decoy fund ...and 25 million goes to the rest.

compared to Slaton's 4 year 2.37

I can play the stats game too


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Anyway, enough of this banter. Good luck to you this season - since we don't play you guys - and may we see you in the playoffs; because it means both teams made it to the Super Bowl.
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Which translates into 318 touches at 5.2 yards per for Slaton in 2008.

Bush's 271 touches at 5.6 yards per in 2006.

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Bush's #2 overall draft position
Slaton's #89 overall draft position

I'd still say the Texans came out on top on that one
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We all knew Bush would not be an every down running back, and has been used in many different ways. Kinda false to only talk about his rushing numbers...don't ya think?
ummm...... NO. You didn't find out he wasn't an "every down back" until after his rookie year. That was NOT how he was HYPED, hence the extreme criticism against the Texans for passing on him. I am happy with our pick (Slaton) and wish you guys well in your regular season play. It really doesn't matter what Reggie or VY does at this point - Mario has already proven himself and there are no whispers of "bust" and that is all that matters to our team. The other 2 draft picks can fail or succeed and it won't take away from Mario's contribution to our team.
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Ummm no, I'm well aware of how the "name game" goes. You see, we had this team called the New Orleans Jazz, then our ruthless owner took them to Salt Lake City, along with the colors and uni, and now you have the Utah Jazz...

There was talk that our present NBA team owner could purchase back the old name and colors, but it fell through. Thus the question about the Oilers. You off your high donkey now?

Also, what are Slaton's punt return and receiving numbers? We all knew Bush would not be an every down running back, and has been used in many different ways. Kinda false to only talk about his rushing numbers...don't ya think?
1. You made a statement that was ignorant, in regards to why our name is the Texans. No need to try and spin it.

2. "We all knew Bush would not be an every down running back" is a statement that attempts to excuse his lack of production at the position of running back. I don't think your team drafted the guy at No. 2 and paid him all that money to field punts and be a situational player. They had hoped he would be a dazzling running back; I believe the media called him "The next Gale Sayers."

Deep down, under that gold and silver exterior of yours, you know that Reggie Bush has not fulfilled the overwhelming hype and promise that everyone but Texans fans has placed upon him.

And, score one for us (for a change), we finally did something right. But even when we do something right, we still have to be wrong. We still have to come up on the short end of the stick. When David Carr was here, ESPN had a commercial showing him on the field all by himself--A very untrue picture of what the problem REALLY was (David Carr). Then came the draft, and all the Madden video game commercials with Vince Young and Bush slamming the Texans for passing on them. And the dozen commercials featuring Reggie Bush, already a lock for the hall of fame. And the media's relentless kicking of our Texans, for over a whole year. We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

Good luck to your team this season.
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The three main players involved in all this talk are Mario, Vince and Reggie. At the time of the draft, the Mario pick blew up the fans and the media and then Mario didn't have a good rookie year, where as Vince did and to some degree so did Reggie. As Houston fans, we've never heard the end of it so please excuse us if we are a bit sensitive about it.

As to those three players, their careers are not finished yet, so unless any of us has a working time machine and can go get a future sports report, all of us are blowing smoke up our collective asses.

In the meantime, I wish the Saints no injuries and good luck this season.

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Later on that same guy complains more about how Reggie has been "under the microscope" and that's why the critics hate him so much. For me, I think that Mario has been under MORE scrutiny than Reggie. He's had to battle through the instantaneous belief that he was going to be the biggest mistake in football history. Critics would have LOVED for Mario to tank and prove them all right, and it took two 10+ sack seasons to change their minds.

He also talks about the impact of Reggie as a decoy being greater than the impact of Mario. No way. I guarantee that offenses account for Mario with either a chip block from a RB, an extra TE blocker, sending the RB to the other side. And even when Mario doesn't register a tackle, sack, or TFL c, he impacts games by causing pressure and drawing blockers.

Hell...the critics crucified the Texans....Mr McNair....Casserly and Kubiak......it was a all out crucifixion on taking Mario Willaims.....

I remember how bad it got. I placed my 2 authentic Mario Williams jerseys order the day we drafted him. I have always loved the pick....

I heard a interview the other day with Chris Collingsworth and he was like "I was wrong about Mario" apology....Its nice to see someone actually admit that they were wrong about the Texans pick.
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Hell...the critics crucified the Texans....Mr McNair....Casserly and Kubiak......it was a all out crucifixion on taking Mario Willaims.....

I remember how bad it got. I placed my 2 authentic Mario Williams jerseys order the day we drafted him. I have always loved the pick....

I heard a interview the other day with Chris Collingsworth and he was like "I was wrong about Mario" apology....Its nice to see someone actually admit that they were wrong about the Texans pick.
You guys in Houston have no idea how bad it can get. Try living in Austin with all these myopic Longhorn fans. Heck, Texan games were pulled in favor of the freakin' Titans for 3 years so these id*ots could watch Vince Young.
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Sorry, but this one is rather easy.

Reggie Bush in zone blocking system > Steve Slaton

Period. Bush would flourish in our system.
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Sorry, but this one is rather easy.

Reggie Bush in zone blocking system > Steve Slaton

Period. Bush would flourish in our system.
Interesting "what if" scenario there. I'm not sure I'd disagree with you, but I think Mario is more valuable to us since we already have Slaton. And Slaton has also proven to be an effective slot reciever.
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