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Old 08-19-2009   #41
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The numbers overall are remarkably similar. Except, TJ is a starter and Shaun was mostly a rotation guy. TJ should have been getting more snaps because of that.

Tackles (solo) - 106 (80) to 91 (61)
Sacks - 2 to 1.5
Passes Defensed - 8 to 4
Interceptions - 1 to 1
Games Started - 38 to 11
Overall games - 54 to 53

Just seems like TJ has made more solo tackles and gotten his hands up more.

Just from looking at the one Chiefs preseason game, Cody seemed more active than I remember TJ ever being. I haven't seen TJ in this scheme. He might be more active in this scheme than he was in the old scheme.

I have to admit, I'm not expecting much from TJ and I think he's going to get cut and I think Cody is going to make the team.
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The numbers overall are remarkably similar. Except, TJ is a starter and Shaun was mostly a rotation guy. TJ should have been getting more snaps because of that.

Tackles (solo) - 106 (80) to 91 (61)
Sacks - 2 to 1.5
Passes Defensed - 8 to 4
Interceptions - 1 to 1
Games Started - 38 to 11
Overall games - 54 to 53

Just seems like TJ has made more solo tackles and gotten his hands up more.

Just from looking at the one Chiefs preseason game, Cody seemed more active than I remember TJ ever being. I haven't seen TJ in this scheme. He might be more active in this scheme than he was in the old scheme.

I have to admit, I'm not expecting much from TJ and I think he's going to get cut and I think Cody is going to make the team.
And that my friend ^^^^^^ is exactly what HOU-TEX's point was. (I think)
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And that my friend ^^^^^^ is exactly what HOU-TEX's point was. (I think)
Yes, yessir, it was. My bottom line is, they have both been very pedestrian to this point but the edge goes to TJ. I'd like to see TJ on field, and soon.
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The numbers overall are remarkably similar. Except, TJ is a starter and Shaun was mostly a rotation guy. TJ should have been getting more snaps because of that.

Tackles (solo) - 106 (80) to 91 (61)
Sacks - 2 to 1.5
Passes Defensed - 8 to 4
Interceptions - 1 to 1
Games Started - 38 to 11
Overall games - 54 to 53

Just seems like TJ has made more solo tackles and gotten his hands up more.

Just from looking at the one Chiefs preseason game, Cody seemed more active than I remember TJ ever being. I haven't seen TJ in this scheme. He might be more active in this scheme than he was in the old scheme.

I have to admit, I'm not expecting much from TJ and I think he's going to get cut and I think Cody is going to make the team.
And that my friend ^^^^^^ is exactly what HOU-TEX's point was. (I think)
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Yes, yessir, it was. My bottom line is, they have both been very pedestrian to this point but the edge goes to TJ. I'd like to see TJ on field, and soon.
So if they're basically the same player (which I actually think Cody is a slightly better player), wouldn't you rather have the one that's healthy?
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So if they're basically the same player (which I actually think Cody is a slightly better player), wouldn't you rather have the one that's healthy?
I think that's the point TB was making. They have both missed a few games, but if we want to get picky Cody has missed 1 game more than TJ. That's what counts in the end, right?

We can do this all day between these 2 players, but I'll leave it with this. I think they both end up on the roster and in the rotation. That said, I would not be surprised if either one happens to get cut. I do agree with you TJ's had a history of mysterical injuries that seem to pop up come time for camp and I have criticized him for it too. But I'm not going to agree that Cody is a better player than TJ. At least not now
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I am just glad that Smith took my advice to select true nose tackle Ron Brace in the first. The laugh is on me. I am ok with Cushing but thought DT stopping the run and occasionally collapsing the pocket was a bigger need than LB.

Regardless of what round TJ was selected in, he has shown little to many fans. I've been told by other posters that he "does what the coach asks" but I still do not know what that is. Last season his 4th, Kubes had a talking session with TJ before season and it did not translate to much on the field. This is TJ final contract year and it remains to be seen if he will step up. Basic walk ons like DelJuan Robinson and Bulman should not be able to out play a 1st round guy. I know it happens but it shouldn't.

If TJ was good, why was Cody brought in? The priority need mentioned by GM & Head Coach after 08 and before free agency and the draft for 09 were in no particular order 1. Stopping the run 2. A DE to play across from Mario 3. A power runner for Red Zone that could also move the chains to eat up clock and get a 3rd down and short. 4. Reduce turn overs. Well, we signed the best DE FA available in Smith who can also move to DT & we don't know yet but that might work out. We signed Barwin and he had two very good plays... We did not draft a RB but Chris Brown did well for 6 attempts + a pass. He may be the RED Zone, 3rd & short chain mover. Turnovers well, we will see.

Stopping the run? We drafted a line backer. As I've said before, that's like signing a center fielder to make a play because your second basement can't. I am leaning hard on Smith and the scouts reps at getting good players. I think we will be all right. I wish I felt as strong that TJ was going to be all right.
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I am just glad that Smith took my advice to select true nose tackle Ron Brace in the first. The laugh is on me. I am ok with Cushing but thought DT stopping the run and occasionally collapsing the pocket was a bigger need than LB.

Regardless of what round TJ was selected in, he has shown little to many fans. I've been told by other posters that he "does what the coach asks" but I still do not know what that is. Last season his 4th, Kubes had a talking session with TJ before season and it did not translate to much on the field. This is TJ final contract year and it remains to be seen if he will step up. Basic walk ons like DelJuan Robinson and Bulman should not be able to out play a 1st round guy. I know it happens but it shouldn't.

If TJ was good, why was Cody brought in? The priority need mentioned by GM & Head Coach after 08 and before free agency and the draft for 09 were in no particular order 1. Stopping the run 2. A DE to play across from Mario 3. A power runner for Red Zone that could also move the chains to eat up clock and get a 3rd down and short. 4. Reduce turn overs. Well, we signed the best DE FA available in Smith who can also move to DT & we don't know yet but that might work out. We signed Barwin and he had two very good plays... We did not draft a RB but Chris Brown did well for 6 attempts + a pass. He may be the RED Zone, 3rd & short chain mover. Turnovers well, we will see.

Stopping the run? We drafted a line backer. As I've said before, that's like signing a center fielder to make a play because your second basement can't. I am leaning hard on Smith and the scouts reps at getting good players. I think we will be all right. I wish I felt as strong that TJ was going to be all right.
Okoye is the one who should be worried because of the arrival of Cody! They play the same position.
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Okoye is the one who should be worried because of the arrival of Cody! They play the same position.
I don't know. DelJuan shared downs with Amobi in 2008, but didn't sniff at starting, even though he outplayed Amobi, and we knew Amobi wasn't 100%. Maybe he got more snaps, I don't know.

But of the 5 DTs we've got, Amobi, Okam, DelJuan, TJ, and Cody..... I'm pretty stoked about putting together a good line up during the regular season.

Of course, I'm high on our performance against the 2-14 Chiefs..... we'll have a better idea after the Saints game.

I was thinking about selling those tickets, but I'm pretty excited about being there now.
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Of course, I'm high on our performance against the 2-14 Chiefs..... we'll have a better idea after the Saints game.
Yep. How our defense does against the Saints offense will tell us a lot.
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I don't know. DelJuan shared downs with Amobi in 2008, but didn't sniff at starting, even though he outplayed Amobi, and we knew Amobi wasn't 100%. Maybe he got more snaps, I don't know.

But of the 5 DTs we've got, Amobi, Okam, DelJuan, TJ, and Cody..... I'm pretty stoked about putting together a good line up during the regular season.

Of course, I'm high on our performance against the 2-14 Chiefs..... we'll have a better idea after the Saints game.

I was thinking about selling those tickets, but I'm pretty excited about being there now.
Amobi and Cody didn't play at the nose, I don't recall seeing them there.
Unless we reduce the number of snaps in the Over and Under Front and use the other Fronts more. Or we're gonna play more penetrating defense...

Otherwise, there won't be enough snaps to share between Cody, Okoye and Deljuan. Or maybe they'll get Deljuan to play some at the nose, too?!?
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Yep. How our defense does against the Saints offense will tell us a lot.
I wonder how much our first team will play?
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I wonder how much our first team will play?
I'm going to guess about most of the first half if not all.
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I wonder how much our first team will play?
My guess is the entire 1st quarter and certain substitutions start in the 2nd. As a trend, the first team (offense and defense) plays the most time in the 3rd pre-season game, not the 2nd. But who knows?
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Amobi and Cody didn't play at the nose, I don't recall seeing them there.
I take it back.

Cody did play some at the nose for the Lions.
I just watched the first half of their game against the Vikings.
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Amobi and Cody didn't play at the nose, I don't recall seeing them there.
Unless we reduce the number of snaps in the Over and Under Front and use the other Fronts more. Or we're gonna play more penetrating defense...

Otherwise, there won't be enough snaps to share between Cody, Okoye and Deljuan. Or maybe they'll get Deljuan to play some at the nose, too?!?
I don't know that we'll keep 5 DTs. I really doubt it, especially if we're serious about moving Antonio Smith inside on certain downs.
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I wonder if Smithiak has the nads to cut a "fan favorite", former 1st round pick(read BUST) like TJ and keep players of less lofty draft status. That would be the last of the DC/CC era of wasted picks left on the team.
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My guess is the entire 1st quarter and certain substitutions start in the 2nd. As a trend, the first team (offense and defense) plays the most time in the 3rd pre-season game, not the 2nd. But who knows?
That's what Kubiak said. A 1-1/2 qtrs for the 1's and 2's which leaves the 4th qtr for the 3's.
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I wonder if Smithiak has the nads to cut a "fan favorite", former 1st round pick(read BUST) like TJ and keep players of less lofty draft status. That would be the last of the DC/CC era of wasted picks left on the team.
DR thinks the nads exist. If fans over all support team against DR, then fan reaction to TJ being cut would be "Oh, well."
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